歡樂意淫帖,各國網友眼中的國家理想版圖

原標題:Which countries have a 『Greater』 map of their ideal or lost territories?哪個國家的理想領土或者原來失地前應有比現狀更大領土?

(歡樂帖,反正都是結合歷史脫離現實情況的網友意淫,看看外國人都是怎麼吹的,此文僅挑我自己熟悉的國家或地區)

#1

How come no one mentioned the Republic of India?( Edit: At the time of this draft )

在我寫這個回答之前怎麼沒有人提到我大印度共和國?

Come on! Greater India is the Greater map 101 (Greater India - Wikipedia)

更大的印度有更大的地圖(附上維基百科英語版印度文化圈地圖,可查閱)。

Basically Greater India Includes the Republic of India, Islamic Republic of Pakistan, the People』s Republic of Bangladesh, the Federal Democratic Republic of Nepal, the Kingdom of Bhutan,the Democratic Socialist Republic of Sri Lanka and parts of the Islamic Republic of Afghanistan.

基本來講,大印度圈應該包括印度共和國,巴基斯坦伊斯蘭共和國,孟加拉共和國,尼泊爾民主聯邦共和國,不丹王國,斯里蘭卡民主社會共和國,也包含部分阿富汗伊斯蘭共和國。

It is essentially a geographical area. Some actually omit parts of Pakistan that lie outside the subcontinent. If you view the area on google earth or google map you can see that geographical barriers define India.

本質上印度是一個地理位置名詞,有時會忽略掉次大陸上巴基斯坦的邊緣部分。如果你打開谷歌地球或者谷歌地圖你會發現這個構成印度這個概念的地理障礙的地形邊界。

Now please don』t confuse Republic of India with India. RoI is basically an amputated version of India. I』m not implying that RoI ought to control all of India but I do think that it is the responsibility of every Indian nation to attain a state of peaceful coexistence for their motherland ( Maathrubhoomi ). At any given point of time Bhaaratam consisted of different states controlling different parts of the motherland and sometimes beyond. But that didn』t stop them from trying to achieve prosperity for the motherland and its people.

所以請你不要弄混印度共和國和印度這兩個概念。 印度共和國僅僅是印度的縮減版。我的意思不是要讓印度共和國去統治所有印度次大陸上的國家,而是我有顆心愿希望所有印度次大陸上的國家能組合成一個和平共榮的祖國(母國)。印度文化圈在任何地點和時間裡都由控制著母國的各部分的不同國家所組成,有時圈子範圍更大。但是這並不影響各國為母國和她的人民們共創繁榮。

Here is an approximate cultural map of India

如下是印度文化圈的大致地圖

Burn this map into your mind as this historic map represents the flow of trade and commerce. The expeditions of the past were done to secure these vital interests and as R.o.India grows in maritime power it will push horizontally in both directions trying to secure its trade routes and searching for possible allies and alliances.

把這個地圖拷到你的腦袋裡吧,此圖反映了歷史上的商貿行經路線。過去的探險已經完成,隨著印度共和國成長為海洋大國,會促使印度和周邊國家努力保衛商貿路線安全,並尋求可能存在的盟友和聯盟關係。

As the Western path has less obstacles RoI has already expanded a bit in the form of anti piracy efforts and observation posts along the eastern African coast. But the presence of PRC and the USA provides resistance against the eastern expansion of interests. In less than some 20 years the conflict of interests thus produced will determine the fate of the Asian century.

因為來自西方的阻力越來越少,印度共和國已經從反海盜事業和東非海岸的觀察所那些方面有所擴張(這裡什麼意思?是我翻譯有問題嗎?)。但是由於中國和美國的存在,印度在東部的利益擴張受到了阻礙。可能在未來20年左右的利益衝突,會直接決定「亞洲的世紀」的命運(看來老兄你把中國開出亞洲籍貫了)。

Edit 1: Here is a Geographical map of the Subcontinent-

補充1:這裡是次大陸的地形圖

(接著是印度地理知識介紹巴拉巴拉巴拉,我就不搬運了)。

#2

Vietnam definitely has it.

越南當然符合條件。(附上越南意淫地圖,勿噴,看到後面發現作者是友軍)

Vietnamese were part of some tribes of Baiyue in southern China. However, some claim that they are the last vestiges of Baiyue, since the rest were entirely sinicized in south China.

越南曾經是華南地區稱為「百越」的土著部落。然而,有部分越南人聲稱他們是百越最後存續的血脈,因為其他的血脈在華南都被中國化了。

Also, Nanyue, a kingdom in south China, ruled by Zhao Tuo, had always been considered as one of the dynasties of Vietnamese history until recent anti-Chinese sentiments. That kingdom ruled a very large part of south China and north Vietnam.

而且,南越國在華南曾是趙佗統治下的一個王國,直到越南反華情緒被激起前,南越國一直是被認為屬於越南歷史的一個朝代。南越國曾經統治了華南和越南北部的大部分地區。

Centuries later, Emperor Quang Trung of Vietnam attempted to regain those lands without success, partly because of his death.

數個世紀後,越南的皇帝阮惠開始嘗試統一其他地區,然後沒有成功,他過早去世是部分原因。

These are reasons why some Vietnamese believe the entirety of south China is theirs. However, it is very hypocritical, since:

以上是越南人認為華南是他們的領土的理由,然而看起來理由很虛偽,因為:

  1. Vietnamese themselves were very sinicized./越南人本身就很中國化。
  2. Anti-Chinesen reject Nanyue as part of their Vietnamese dynasties, calling Zhao Tuo an conquerer even though he has shrines in Vietnam./反華越南人拒絕承認南越國是越南歷史的朝代,稱呼趙佗是侵略者,即使他在越南有祠堂。
  3. Thai, Zhuang, and many other ethnic groups around China were part of Baiyue, so Vietnamese arent the 「last vestiges.」/中國的少數民族例如傣族,壯族曾經也是百越的一部分,所以越南人並不是「最後的血脈」。

Not to mention the whole thing about the Paracel Islands.

那就更不要提在西沙群島所發生的事情了。

#3

(先聲明中華民國的法理上所有權利已經被中華人民共和國代替,世界只有一個中國。)

The Republic of China

中華民國

As of right now, very few countries recognize the ROC as an independent state, instead viewing it as a province of the People』s Republic of China (PRC). This is the territory it currently holds onto:

目前,僅有很少的一些國家承認中華民國是主權國家,而不是把她看作是中華人民共和國的一個省份。目前中華民國實際掌握的領土如下圖:

As you can see, it』s a single island off the coast of mainland China. It』s where all the nationalists fled to after the Chinese civil war and the communists succeeded in establishing the PRC. However, the ROC claims to officially have much more territory than this:

如你所見,她孤懸於中國大陸海岸線邊上。國民黨輸了內戰逃到了島上,之後新中國成立了。然而,中華民國官方聲稱的領土範圍遠不止這些:

The ROC claims that its territory covers all of, and goes past, that of the PRC. Of course, most of the land they say was stolen is from the PRC, you may be surprised to see that they believe most of Mongolia, and parts of India, Russia, and other nations belong to them.

中華民國喧聲以上所有過去的領土,當然大部分領土被新中國所承接。你可能會驚訝於他們宣稱蒙古大部分領土,部分印土,俄羅斯領土屬於他們的領土。 (對於外國人對中國領土的認知,我也很無奈,很disappointed,很angry,反正難以excited)

(其他國家和地區的我真的沒啥興趣搬運了,但願不會被知乎管家要求修改。)

#4

(再搬運一個)

ISIS

伊斯蘭國

This will never happen, of course, but this is their claim for the territories of their Caliphate, followed by World domination:

當然,這永遠都不可能發生, 但是如下圖是他們所宣稱的主導世界後的伊斯蘭國領域:

The Middle East, Central Asia, India - strangely enough not including the World′s most populous Muslim nation, Indonesia - Northern Africa, Turkey, Crimea, the Balkans, Austria, Slovakia, The Iberian Peninsula. Good luck with that.

中東,中亞,印度——說起來真奇怪,居然沒把世界上穆斯林人口比例最多印度尼西亞包含進去——祝你們好運,北非,土耳其,克里米亞,巴爾幹半島,奧地利,斯洛伐克,伊比利亞半島。

(希望這個政治不敏感 )

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