如何看待Christina Grimmie在演出後被槍殺?


實名反對「殺死人的不是槍,而是人」這句話。這句話在我看來就像「她懷孕不是因為我們沒帶套,而是因為我們發生了性行為」--- 其實不管是哪方面的「安全」,討論更多的是一個概率/係數,而不是簡單的 yes or no.

Christina死後,有槍支的實力洗白者說「這個人是有預謀的」,「如果他用刀,也一樣可以殺掉Christina」。且不討論兇手是否能用刀殺死Christina了。我們想一下在Christina死後緊接著發生的佛羅里達同性戀吧mass shooting...兇手只有一個人,如果他用砍刀,武士刀,電鑽,電鋸...青龍偃月刀...能做到如此大規模的殺傷么?幾分鐘,50條人命!

殺死人的的確是人的意志,但是執行者(武器)的能力卻是天壤之別。

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中國這幾年醫生常常受到暴力襲擊吧?如果兇手們手持的是槍呢?後果難道不會更嚴重么?

另外轉一篇文章:《槍案後我們討厭聽到的幾個邏輯》,其中第一條就是「殺死人的不是槍」

1. "Guns don"t kill people. People kill people."

This is a fantastic argument for those who can"t tell the difference between one death and a dozen. Absolutely, a murderer can often kill one person or two with a knife before being stopped. But to really rack up those mind-blowing death counts – to make sure that many lives are destroyed and families ruined in the space of five or 10 minutes – you need a gun. If all you care about is apportioning blame and declaring that someone does or does not have murderous intent, then by all means, claim a knife and a gun are equivalent weapons. For those of us who are more worried about preventing unnecessary deaths than merely acknowledging the hate that resides in some people"s hearts, however, the sheer amount of damage a gun can do is reason to limit who can get their hands on one.

2. "The only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun."

If you prefer pithy sayings to hard evidence, I can see why this would be convincing. But if you look at the real world, you"ll find that far from being our only hope, good guys with guns are barely any help at all. No mass shootings in the past 30 years have been stopped by an armed civilian; in 1982, an armed civilian successfully killed a shooter, but it was only after he committed his crime.

It"s not that there aren"t enough guns, either. There are as many guns as people in this country, and fully a third of people are armed. Even when shootings happen in gun-happy places, where armed people are sure to be nearby, this vigilante scenario simply doesn"t work. That"s because pulling a gun out and shooting back in the chaos of a mass shooting just makes things worse, as was discovered when a would-be hero at the 2011 shooting of Gabby Giffords very nearly shot the wrong man. (The actual shooter was tackled by an elderly man.)

3. "But, mental health!"

Opponents of gun control love bringing up the problem of inadequate mental health care after a shooting. This is strictly for deflection purposes, as there is no indication that Republicans will ever work on meaningful reform for our mental health systems – which, it"s true are woefully inadequate. It"s an issue that only matters to them in the immediate aftermath of a shooting – then it"s forgotten, until there"s another shooting. Rinse, repeat.

Also, the "mental health" gambit, in this context, is always vague. What exactly is the plan? Round up everyone with a mental health issue and put them under lock and key? That amounts to 1 in 5 Americans, the vast majority of whom have no violent tendencies. Will we have some kind of extensive mental health registry? A lot of Americans who struggle with mental health are undiagnosed, though, and putting them on a government list that restricts their rights is not a great inducement to get a diagnosis. There are a lot of shooters in this country, so we have some pretty good data on mass shooters. And that data shows there"s no reliable way to tell who is going to go off like this, and only 23 percent of shooters have a diagnosis. Even if all of those individuals got gold-star treatment, the system would only stop a few shooters.

4. "Second Amendment, baby."

Here"s a good time to remind everyone that the Second Amendment was written by slaveholders before we had electricity, much less the kind of weaponry that would-be murderers can buy today. But sure, if you think it"s that precious, we can compromise: If you love the Second Amendment that much, feel free to live in a powdered wig and shit in a chamberpot while trying to survive off what you can kill with an 18th century musket. In exchange, let those of us living in this century pass some laws so we can feel safe going to class, or the movies, or anywhere without worrying that some maladjusted man will try to get his revenge by raining death on random strangers.

Read more: 4 Pro-Gun Arguments We"re Sick of Hearing

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只能說太可惜了


謝謝幾位朋友邀請。

很少回答「如何看待」類的問題,資質不夠,不敢妄言。簡單說幾句,如有不當之處,還請見諒。

首先,作為Christina Grimmie的普通聽眾,這個噩耗讓我很難受。22歲,這是多麼讓人扼腕的年紀!

更多美國國內知道這位歌手的人,可能是出於2014年的美國之聲。但對於很多我們國內的歐美流行音樂樂迷,遠遠不止這個。印象中,差不多從2009年開始,很多美國的網路翻唱歌手開始流行於中國網路,Christina Grimmie、Mike Tompkins、Sam Tsui、Jason Chen、Megan Nicole、Tiffany Alvord、Alex Goot、Madilyn Bailey、Tyler Ward等等,一大批翻唱歌手的歌曲進入了大家的音樂播放列表。Christina Grimmie是這一批人裡面比較早時間出來的,2011年初跟Sam Tsui合唱翻唱Nelly的Just A Dream,紅極一時,當時她還不足17歲,就已經在我們國內吸引了不少粉絲。

一位歌手在自己的演唱會會場被槍殺,這是一件非常讓人痛心的事。演唱會本應是遠離犯罪遠離紛爭的地方,卻出現了這樣的悲劇。

目前我不清楚具體犯罪的原因,為歌手痛心的同時,我想我們也只能接受現實,暫時視之為個案。需要具體個案具體分析。

從長期的、更大範圍的預防措施來說,暫時能做的,也許加強安檢/安保是我猜想的措施之一,但我認為這個跟題主選擇的話題「控槍」應該沒太深遠的關聯。真要犯罪傷人的時候,只不過槍更便捷一些,別的手段太多了,也做不到什麼都控。就算是號稱嚴格管制的我國,央視一套的《今日說法》,裡面時不時也會提及,毒販、社會黑惡勢力中,非法槍支並不少。所以就算是控槍的情況下,罪犯真要想弄到槍,也不見得太難吧,在世界的哪個角落都差不多。


Guns don"t kill people.

People kill people.

置人於死地的不是槍,是人

在6月10日星期六晚上

Christina Grimmie在佛羅里達奧蘭多結束完演出

當時在進行粉絲簽售的見面

她正準備和粉絲擁抱時

這個陌生人舉起手裡的槍朝她開火

Christian身中三槍

她的哥哥Marcus在反應後的第一時間把對方撲到在地

(左邊是哥哥)

最後兇手開槍自殺了

Christian被緊急送到醫院

但非常非常的遺憾

一個熱愛音樂的22歲女孩就這樣離開了

經調查,兇手是來自佛羅里達彼德斯伯格27歲男子 Kevin James Loibl

目前能知道的是,他攜帶了2把槍和匕首

作案動機尚不清楚 但網友的議論是該人有精神疾病

前段時間在微博上被瘋狂轉發的美國之聲第三季的盲選

她翻唱麥粒的wrecking ball,一開口就秒轉了三位導師

她不高,小身板但歌聲特別有力量

一開始在youtube上翻唱歌曲獲得了300w粉絲的喜愛

和youtube上的翻唱達人SamTsui被稱為一哥一姐

17歲出專輯再到參加美國之聲奪得季軍

你可以想像一個多麼美好的前程在等待她

但你無法想像的是

這樣一個美麗的靈魂最終的結果是死在一個邪惡的變態的混蛋手裡!

一個人才的離開讓人惋惜和傷痛,但更讓人難過的是

只有等到這個人死去時,她才被人了解。

在2016的這半年,已經有太多人突如其來的離開

我們不知道明天和意外哪個會先到

所以每次告別 都認真一些 用力一點

Rest In Peace .


但願是 Just a Dream (╥﹏╥)


悲劇。

但是這種事情是無可避免的啊,非法移民都沒辦法攔住,退一步講就算美國全面禁槍,也攔不住墨西哥和古巴等國家的黑槍流入。再退一步,就算沒有槍,這種抱著赴死心態的變態也可以用匕首,歌迷見面會上的暗殺足夠了。

在加拿大這種事情就較少發生。好人合法買槍不難,壞人非法買槍也不難,沒法合法帶槍到處走,有關槍的犯罪只要犯一次基本這輩子就和合法槍說拜拜了。相當於嚴格控槍+到處都是Gun-free zone的狀態。所以我感覺還是和人口素質、教育、心理健康這些有關。

一家之言,公眾人物還是多穿Kevlar吧。

利益相關:擁槍,反對Gun-free zone


聽到消息很震驚,幾個小時之前還在聽feelin" good.

世事無常,R.I.P


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