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打德撲運氣成分佔多少?


運氣成分隨著手牌數逐漸減弱,但是要說具體占幾分是暫時沒法衡量的。

怎麼看待撲克中的運氣和波動呢?

讓我們圖表說話。

首先打開一個叫Poker Variance Calculator計算波動的軟體。

假設一個技術還不錯,盈利為5BB/100的玩家。

也就是說平均每一百手牌可以贏5個大盲。

標準差按提示推薦無限制德州撲克6人桌設為100BB/100。

這個牌手剛玩1萬手牌的時候

藍色曲線是運氣最好的情況的盈利

褐色曲線是運氣最差的情況的盈利

我們可以看出,手牌數少的時候盈利和技術關係不大,運氣差會輸很多錢。

打了一個多月玩了10萬手牌後

情況稍微好轉些了,雖然運氣差還是會輸很多。

堅持打一年牌玩到了100萬手牌

向上傾斜更明顯了,至少運氣特別差也不會輸錢,但是運氣好和運氣差的盈利還是相差非常大。

這個牌手熱愛打牌一輩子,用了幾十年瘋狂打牌打到了1億手牌!(幾乎不可能,在網上同時開幾十桌每天打10小時以上,堅持幾十年才可能到達1億手牌)

用了一輩子的時間終於殺掉了運氣這個磨人的小妖精,可惜這個世界上幾乎不存在這樣的人,這大概就是有運氣成分博弈遊戲的命運吧。

以上的模擬是建立在一直都保持5BB/100的盈利前提下的,可是現在的撲克技術水漲船高,玩家平均水平每年都在提高,保持盈利需要不斷的進步和努力。

最後一提,一切只打了幾手牌就開始討論輸贏的行為都是耍流氓。


沒有給出證明過程,談德州撲克運氣成分佔幾成幾成的都是耍流氓。我經常能看到QQ群以及各大論壇貼吧,很多人談這個問題,有的說佔三成,有的說佔五成,有的說佔七成,誰也說服不了誰,原因很簡單,沒人給出一個令人信服的過程,都是靠感覺判斷。

你要我說占幾成,我也不知道,我並不是特別關心德州撲克到底運氣佔多少,我只關心我面對的對手,我的優勢在哪裡,對手的弱點在哪裡,我如何利用他的弱點來取得盈利,這就可以了。

假如我不知道我能利用對手的哪個方面,那麼此時我打德州撲克就是完全靠運氣,能贏看命;假設我知道優勢在哪,此時我不需要運氣,我只需要利用對手弱點即可。

德州撲克是人與人的遊戲,不是人與單純的數學概率比拼的遊戲,談運氣占幾成太難。

希望有數學專家給予證明。


關於這個問題,我拆分成三點來回答吧:

1.德撲是靠運氣的遊戲嗎?

什麼是靠運氣的遊戲,就是完全依賴概率,就像拋硬幣、買彩票,輸贏看天。

顯然,德撲的一系列操作符合上面的定義嗎?不符合。

德撲是什麼遊戲?它是有運氣成分摻雜的信息遊戲、博弈遊戲,德撲是科學,是藝術。

2.如何看待Bad Beat?

它是遊戲的一部分,確實有的玩家在短時間內遇到密集的BB以至於懷疑人生,會導致不公型tilt,但長期來看BB出現的幾率對於每個人來說都是均等的。

3.波動

每個人在下風期的時候都會感覺自己像垃圾,波動很正常,做好心理建設和情緒管理是最重要的。


這問題毫無意義,長期來說德州撲克沒有運氣成分,具體某一手牌可以討論運氣好壞或者某一個時間段可以討論,可以討論showdown vaule all in ev等,看你這段時間贏錢是不是靠運氣,為什麼要討論這些,就是在討論你擊敗這個水平段的對手需不需要運氣

最大的問題是,你是否需要運氣是建立在對手的水平上的, 如果你是佔了很大程度的運氣才戰勝對手的,那就是你水平不夠

對手水平和你相當,當然輸贏的關係當然和運氣比例相當高


長期靠技術,短期看運氣。

這點和其他牌類遊戲都差不多。


德撲的運氣成分其實很大,每個賭博遊戲都是這樣,哪怕到了職業高手級別也是這樣,但是德州撲克的巧妙之處就在於,你可以去分析別人的運氣,或者欺騙別人的運氣,或者躲避別人的運氣。

所以德撲需要的不單單是運氣,還包括技術,資金深度(500BB+),讀人能力其他各種外界因素


沒有運氣!打德州,你打1萬手,都是最優解,會輸錢嗎?如果你沒有足夠的資金儲備(1K個BB)做升級,被人BB了就罵街,還是別玩這個遊戲了。


說運氣的都是在耍流氓。


德州撲克最好玩的地方就在這裡了!它有競技(技術)、賭博(運氣)兩個維度,相信很多牌友都有感受:

當你專註於運氣時(賭博),會經常感嘆技術、思考的不足。

當你專註於技術時(競技),卻經常會被小概率打敗。


在短期內,決定你贏還是輸的,常常不是你判斷的有多準確,而是你一時運氣的好壞,運氣好時氣勢如虹,把把能中,點背時怕什麼牌就來什麼,你一定會被Bad Beat。反正我老是想,要是德撲里要是沒有Bad Beat多好,憑實力的話我早就清空了那條蠢驢式的魚好幾次,他Bad Beat了我這麼多次,我甚至想掐死他。哭。。。

我們為什麼應該感謝Bad Beat


GENEVA — Texas hold "em is a game of luck.

That"s the opinion at least of Switzerland"s highest court, which banned tournaments of the high-stakes poker game outside of casinos.

Had the Swiss Supreme Court ruled Wednesday that Texas hold "em was a game of skill, it would have permitted private competitions to continue. But it said simple math, tactics and psychology played smaller roles than luck in determining the winner.

The decision will anger fans of the popular card game, which has enjoyed a flourishing of events in Swiss restaurants, bars and hotels. Tournaments also have a growing following on TV and the Internet.

"The horror," railed the website SwissPokerTour.ch, which brings together players and organizers around the country. "Today is a black day for all amateur poker players in Switzerland."

The game, played in the World Series of Poker in the U.S. each year, starts with each player on the table receiving two cards face down. After a round of optional betting, three cards are "flopped" face up and more money can be waged. Then, two more community cards are drawn and bets can be placed after each.

The Supreme Court ruling came after Swiss casinos appealed a lower court decision that Texas hold "em was a game of skill and could therefore be played anywhere. It said smaller poker matches could continue among friends, even if money is involved.

The Texas hold "em debate has also divided opinion in other countries. A Pennsylvania appeals court ruled 2-1 in March that it was illegal because it met the definition of gambling because the outcome is more dependent upon chance than skill. Many aficionados and self-styled "professionals" disagree, however.

In Switzerland, games of luck such as roulette and slot machines are restricted to licensed casinos, which pay a hefty 50 percent tax on profits. Private organizers of poker games weren"t paying those taxes, argued Marc Friedrich, head of the Swiss Federation of Casinos.

"A parallel sector started to develop that did not have the same regulations and rules as casinos," he told The Associated Press, estimating about 100 unlicensed poker championships were taking place each weekend.

Casinos must identify participants, prevent money laundering and fight gambling addiction, but private Texas hold "em events were avoiding these requirements, according to Friedrich.

He said the differences amounted to unfair competition, and said a number of players already banned for casinos for racking up excessive debts were continuing to play freely in outside events.

The Swiss court"s decision cannot be appealed.


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