巴基斯坦跟中國的關係如此之鐵，背後有何利益動機？

01-22

歷史已經一再告訴我們，凡是被稱作鐵哥們兒的，到最後必有一戰。

中國需要巴基斯坦在中東做話事人

巴基斯坦需要中國幫助其發展建設

其中再摻雜著地緣政治和軍事因素關鍵還可以牽制印度何樂而不為二者一拍即合····

遠親不如近鄰美帝大腿再粗想伸過來摻一腳也需勞心勞力的再說扶持巴基斯坦也有悖印度的根本利益這麼大的一個二貨印度人傻錢又多美帝還想賺錢呢

大哥。巴基斯坦原本和印度是一個國家。印度想收復巴基斯坦。中國當然不同意了。所以對巴基斯坦進行了很多軍事援助。我認為，這件事本質上和美國對台灣進行軍事援助是一樣的。印巴問題關中國鳥事？所以中印關係不好。印度也想讓西藏獨立出去。我認為，倆都不是什麼好東西

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"Nuanced" is when Napoleon is defeated at Waterloo, bro, not this.

India heavily underestimated China, assuming that China of 1962 would be the same sickly China of 1947.

The Humiliation factor comes from the fact that China and India were supposed to be roughly equivalent countries, or so India assumed, and thus a war between them should have been a stalemate. But China achieved all it"s objectives, and offered ceasefire on it"s own terms.

That was humiliating. China basically whipped and pinned India on the playground in front of the whole school and said, "You want more of this?"

And since I am Pakistani, to offset the usual comments, may I remind you all that pre-1962 war, Pakistan was actually against China, even more so that it was against India, and basically asked India to join forces to press China on the Kashmir boundary issue, something which India rejected.

And in the 62 war itself, we offered silent support and safe passage through Pakistani held areas for the Indian army.

It"s only after India"s utter defeat that we realized, that if some one like India was whipped, there is no way some one like us has any chance against China, so better smooch up to them. Hence the Pak-China friendship, and the shift in our policy.

還有：

WHAT ?

No I mean WHAT ?

Dude you were the ones who gave Shaksgam valley to China in the first place.

Regarding the "humiliation" part I dont think I can convince a Pakistani on that. ...So lets leave it at that. China offered a ceasefire because their logistics was already stretched thin - they were maintaining a mule-line logistics over the treacherous mountain terrain and there was no way they could have held when reinforcements started pouring in from the Pakistan borders where our best troops were situated.

They played a clever hand, no denying that, but India was by no means mauled or could not have fought back had the war continued.

Yeah...which is precisely my point!

We gave that after the 62 war! Before the war, we were against them, after the war, we were all friendly to them.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trans-Karakoram_Tract#Sino-Pakistan_Frontier_Agreement

Note that it happened in "63.

As for the humiliation, it"s directly relevant because that"s what drove us towards China! Your utter defeat made us realize it was in our best interest to be buddies with China.

This isn"t some sort of veiled form of indo-pak internet flamewar, but you have got to admit, China started out from a worse position than India was at 1947, but by 62, it had improved leaps and bounds, and was able to assert itself far more strongly than India could. China made India run to the Kennedy and beg for help; This is made India look weak. More specifically, in chinese cultural terms, it gained "face", and that made all the difference

It isn"t relevant whether India could have won or whatever, because statistics aside, India felt emotionally humiliated.

After Pakistan voted to grant China a seat in the United Nations, the Chinese withdrew the disputed maps in January 1962,

The Indo-China war happened after that.

It was a classic enemy of my enemy is my friend from Pakistan.

I am actually surprised that Pakistan did not attack us during the war. Maybe US which was looking to take India also into its camp pressured Ayub to stand off.

Nope, War was in october-november 62, and negotiations began then too:

After Pakistan voted to grant China a seat in the United Nations, the Chinese withdrew the disputed maps in January 1962, agreeing to enter border talks in March. Negotiations between the nations officially began on October 13, 1962 and resulted in an agreement being signed on 2 March 1963 by foreign ministers Chen Yi of China and Zulfikar Ali Bhutto of Pakistan.

China withdrew maps, but the issue still remained. Only in 63, and finalization of negotiation, did we give the valley, well after the war.

As for Pakistani involvlement in war:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sino-Indian_War#Involvement_of_other_nations

In 1962, President of Pakistan Ayub Khan made clear to India that Indian troops could safely be transferred from the Pakistan frontier to the Himalayas.

看這個：

3 points 3 years ago

In 1962, President of Pakistan Ayub Khan made clear to India that Indian troops could safely be transferred from the Pakistan frontier to the Himalayas.

In retrospect, that doesnt look good since Pakistan did this three years later.

Exactly, Three years later, which makes all the difference, and which is precisely the point I am trying to make.

Before 62 war...India Bad, but China even worse (something along the lines of "better the enemy you know than the one you don"t")
After 62... East or West, China is the Best!

I am not saying that Pakistan was a bastion of good or whatever, merely that our policy shifted heavily after India"s humiliating defeat at "62. We suddenly saw China as our Lord and Savior etc etc...

大國關係不是小孩過家家，今天我跟你好，明天我跟她好，裡面的利益牽扯，明面上的，暗地裡的，不知道有多少。這都是國家的輿論導向，沒有真的很誰好的，不過是，最近我想到你家賺錢，我當然就說你好了，最近我跟你沒什麼大的利益牽扯，又何必得罪你，多一個敵人呢？不過這跟領導人的性格脾氣也有關係，就我個人而言，我覺得巴基斯坦領導人就跟實誠嘛，對不對

情義多於利益這不用問，都一家人了。

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