目前還不知道055型驅逐艦是否能滿足大家對它「和阿利伯克級驅逐艦旗鼓相當」的期望，畢竟美國海軍的阿里伯克級驅逐艦自從1988年首艦下水到現在為止都在不斷地進行升級，提高它的性能。伯克級Flight III型的發展型已經在2013年進入設計階段。在2013年6月，美國海軍簽訂了62億美元的驅逐艦合同。他們可能採購多達42艘Flight III 型伯克級驅逐艦，首艦將在2023年入役。
There are very few nations who are building or are expected to build modern surface combatants well in excess of 10,000 tons in any sort of significant number. In fact, at present, there is only one. Of course, the future is not guaranteed, and events may unfold which may cause the Chinese Navy to reduce the number of 055s they produce or change their naval doctrine.
China"s First 055 Destroyer Is About To Be Launched: Here』s Seven Reasons Why It』s A BigDeal - Fortuna"s Corner.
要知道外國專家和軍迷對055有相當正確和深刻的認識，就連下面這個類似汽車之家的論壇的討論都很不錯，參見。Chinaamp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;#x27;s Type 055 Super Destroyer Is A Reality Check For The US And Its Allies以下是美國司機論壇的部分言論 http://thedriver.com每一段是一個網友發言There"s no doubt that"s a very impressive ship. My question, however, goes to the issue of "institutional knowledge" of the Chinese Navy. Equipment and hardware are no doubt critical, but what about the training, tactics and experience of Chinese naval officers and sailors? I"m not being critical, I just don"t know about those issues. To me, that"s the other side of the coin and I would think just as important if not more so than shiny new ships.毫無疑問，這是一艘令人印象深刻的船。然而，我的問題是關於中國海軍的「知識系統」問題。裝備和硬體毫無疑問是至關重要的，但中國海軍軍官和海軍官兵的訓練、戰術和經驗如何呢?我不是很挑剔，我只是不知道這些問題。對我來說，這是硬幣的另一面，我認為同樣重要，而不只是閃閃發光的新船。the people on the ships will always make or break the ships. China is years behind the US but catching up fast due to the US Navy falling fast.船上的人總是製造或破壞船隻（貌似是格言或成語）。中國落後美國多年，但由於美國海軍實力迅速下降，中國迅速趕上了美國。The best allegory I can find is the naval surges of Germany pre-WW1 and the United States during WW2.我能找到的最好的寓言是一戰前德國和二戰中美國海軍力量的激增。In both cases, ship for ship, the best navies in the world was the result. * The relative lack of institutional knowledge was overcome by the innovation both navies exhibited.當時兩個時代，德美兩國海軍都是世界上最好的海軍。兩國海軍所展示的創新精神，克服了海軍知識系統的相對匱乏。Yes, I know Jutland was a defeat for the Germans - but it conclusively showed that Germany had better gunnery, ships, and shells - just not the numbers to back it up, and Jellicoe knew what he was doing and how to leverage intelligence.是的，我知道日德蘭是德國人的失敗，但它令人信服地表明，德國有更好的炮、船和炮彈，而不是支持它的數字，而傑利科知道他在做什麼，以及如何利用情報。Their doctrine and progressive approach to the military expansions show they know what are they doing.他們發展軍事力量的信條和前進的方法表明他們知道他們在做什麼。They are not 100% yet, but are working hard to get there. One good example is the readiness of the air force pilots. They were said to be not so well trained in the dogfight tactics, but the problem was realized by the leadership, and training syllabuses were established. Top Gun sort of things.他們還不是100%的準備好，但正在努力工作。一個很好的例子就是空軍飛行員的準備。據說他們在狗斗戰術上沒有受過良好的訓練，但是領導層意識到了問題，訓練教學大綱也建立了。就像美國空軍那樣。Pfft.... America"s fleet of Littoral Combat Ships will make short work of the PLAN.Nothing can match the power of the subsonic, non stealthy Harpoon missile啐....美國的瀕海戰鬥艦將將很快做掉中國海軍。任何東西都比不上亞音速，非隱形的魚叉導彈的威力。More like a nice beefy target for a Virginia.. It would last about 5 minutes in a shooting war with the U.S. If that long.這更像是弗吉尼亞級核潛艇的一個漂亮、強壯的目標。它與美國核潛艇的決鬥將持續5分鐘。I was just about to say the same thing. The PLAN shouldn"t worry about Harpoons, they should worry about Mk-48 torpedoes.我正要說同樣的話。中國海軍不應該擔心魚叉，他們應該擔心的是mk-48魚雷。The enemy gets a say too.Any war near china will mean US assets will be outnumbered.The LA/Virginia classes will need to be doing an amazing job seeing as they themselves would be stalked by PLAN SSNs German engineered http://SSKs.In terms of surface naval warfare, outside of the carriers, the US navy is frankly lacking in punch.敵人也有發言權。任何靠近中國的戰爭都意味著美國不再享有優勢。弗吉尼亞和洛杉磯級潛艇將需要做一項了不起的工作，因為他們會發現自己被中國核潛艇和德國製造的攻擊潛艇（SSK不會翻譯）追蹤。就睡眠戰而言，除了航母之外，美國海軍顯然缺乏打擊能力。I"m glad Tyler points out from the off how "visually striking" it is. My word, it sure is a handsome ship. I think I"m increasingly finding myself smitten by good looking ships.Crikey what a load out, I"d be pretty confident that Indian Naval command will sure be rather worried by this, though hopefully these big boys will be kept occupied in the SCS. India should really take a page out of China"s A2/AD book and go for it in it"s own back yard. I wonder if the battleship slugfests of the past are now and in the future going to be behemoths such as this slugging missiles at each other.我很高興泰勒將我從「視覺震撼」中拉了回來。我肯定它（055）是一艘漂亮的船，我越來越發現自己被漂亮的船隻迷住了。哎呀，這麼牛逼的船下水了！印度海軍司令部肯定不僅僅對它感到擔心，他們還希望這些大傢伙們呆在南海海域不要出來。印度應該學學中國的經驗，並且在後院好好修鍊內功（不知翻譯的是否正確）。我想知道，過去、現在和將來的戰列戰艦是否會成為這樣的龐然大物，就像這種互相攻擊的導彈一樣。（不懂啥意思）The Ticonderogas are really looking their age nowadays, certainly the ugliest of the three classes.The youngest one is 1/4 of a century old.2 separate superstructures and a whole lot of aerials and cabled covered masts everywhere.Their replacement seems to be cramming more into the already full Arleigh Burkes?提康德羅加確實是太老，當然這是三種軍艦中最醜陋的一個。最年輕的也有四分之一世紀的年齡了。2個獨立的上層建築和大量的天線，到處都是覆蓋著的桅杆。他們的改進方案似乎是在已經臃腫不堪的伯克艦上塞更多的設備?Hopefully the Harpoon won"t be our only dedicated ASM for long. The LRASM is scheduled to enter service in 2018, and seems to be doing pretty well in testing.希望魚叉不是我們唯一的反艦武器，LRASM 正在按計划進行，2018有望服役，現在看起來測試的不錯。no sign of anti-torpedo tubes in the picture at the top of the article.As long as the US defense establishment wastes resources on stupid shit like LCSs and a third Ford-class CVN, the Chinese are going to be able to achieve parity and perhaps pass the US, IMO, in less than 10 years.For the US to continue to be a power projection force to be reckoned with in the Far East, we"re going to have to solve the logistics problem of supporting operations on the Chinese side of the Pacific.在這篇文章沒提到沒有任何反魚雷裝置（干擾？什麼東東？）的跡象。只要美國國防機構繼續在瀕海戰鬥艦和第三艘福特級別這樣的垃圾項目上浪費資源，中國人就能在不到10年的時間裡和我們平起平坐甚至趕超我們。要繼續保持美國在遠東地區的力量投射，我們就不得不解決後勤問題。I am not sure what you mean by solving the logistics problem? The US Military has the most comprehensive global logistics capability of any nation in history. In the Western Pacific/Far East alone, we have basing and supply arrangements with more nations than I have the time to type here. The US Military may have it"s issues, but logistical support isn"t one of them (when they ae committed to it, that is).我不知道解決物流問題你的意思是什麼?美國軍隊擁有有史以來最全面的全球後勤保障能力。僅在西太平洋/遠東地區，我們的基礎和供應安排比任何國家都要多。美國軍方可能會有問題，但後勤支持並不是其中之一(當他們堅持承諾時，就是這樣)。True, we have a lot of basing and supply agreements in WestPac, but how long would those last in a shooting war? Or even in a New Cold War, given that we are so very far away while the Chinese are, to the third-party nations, Right Next Door?的確，我們在西太平洋有很多的基礎和供應協議，但是這些在一場戰爭中會持續多久呢?在一場新的冷戰中，鑒於我們離中國如此之遠，而中國和第三方國家，就在隔壁。I am sure that would have to be based on a combination of the stability of our relationship with that country and that country"s own political/military strengths. We can probably count on Japan, ROK and Australia.我敢肯定，這必須建立在我們與那個國家的關係穩定以及該國自身的政治/軍事實力的基礎上。我們可以指望日本、韓國和澳大利亞。（都是戰略家啊）Damn, they"ve built this ship already? They are not even done fulfilling orders for the Type-052D.These guys are growing their Navy fast.TMD，他們已經造好了這艘船?他們甚至沒有完成對052d型的訂單。這些人正在快速壯大他們的海軍。Unlike us, they don"t spread their production across 48 provinces to keep their senators elected.與我們不同的是，他們並沒有將他們的生產分散到48個省，以保證他們的參議員當選。Here comes the uber nationalism and underestimation of Chinese military progression. It"s naive to think such a massive and wealthy economy, wouldn"t start approaching a bit of parity in the near future.這是典型（謝謝評論區的大俠）的民族主義和對中國軍事發展的低估。如果認為這樣一個龐大而富有的經濟體，在不久的將來不會開始接近我們，那就太天真了。Those trillions of dollars of GDP get spread pretty thin when you have 1.3 Billion people to tend to, so much so that they spend less on their entire military than the US spends on it"s Air Force.當你有13億人口的時候，這些數萬億美元的GDP就會變得很微薄，以至於他們花在整個軍事上的錢比美國花在空軍上的錢要少。A 10 fold difference in wages will do that.工資也差10倍哦。Maybe we could work together to beat global warming and reach Mars or something. I know it sounds crazy but why not spend what that war would cost on something productive.也許我們可以一起合作來戰勝全球變暖，到達火星或者其他什麼地方。我知道這聽起來很瘋狂，但為什麼不把戰爭的錢花費在創造其他東西上呢?So happy to see my tax dollars continuing to be spent innovating new designs for the Chinese to steal.我很高興看到我的稅金繼續被花讓中國剽竊的創新設計上。Snowflake?（不會翻譯，感謝評論區高人指點，大家可以參考）more like DoD failure to secure our lethal tech. with defense contractors more worried about securing contracts than securing their networks應是國防部未能保障我們的致命技術，國防承包商更擔心的是獲得合同而不是保護他們的網路。ol, Ark, if you go to any good university around the world, you will find a lot of chinese/asian, and as the 2nd biggest economic in the world, its not hard to see that China will start developing its navy power, the problem is wether we can have two superpower in the world, I wish we wont have a world war again. So far, there"s no change of power without a war in the history.哇哦,Ark,如果你去世界各地任何好的大學,你會發現很多中國/亞洲學生。作為世界上第二大經濟體,不難看到,中國將開始發展海軍力量,問題是世界上是否可以有兩個超級大國？我希望我們不會有世界大戰了。到目前為止，歷史上沒有一次權力結構的變化不經過戰爭。The Chinese are building four of these ships simultaneously. Two ships are built per naval yard, on two yards. The second Type 055 should be launched from this same same naval yard late this year. Initially it was said that at least 8 ships of this class were ordered. Right now the rumors say 12 ships have been ordered. They still continue to build the smaller Type 052Ds in what seems will be a high-low 055/052D combo.中國正在同時建造四艘這樣的船隻。兩艘軍艦是在兩個海軍造船廠建造的。第二種055型應該在今年年底從同樣的海軍基地下水。最初，據說至少有8艘船被訂購。目前有傳言稱，有12艘船隻已被訂購。他們仍在繼續構建較小的052D，看起來將是一個高低的055/052d組合。The propulsion system on these ships is not electric. The Chinese naval leadership themselves have said so. It uses a similar propulsion system to the 052D but with twice the power. It does not have enough electric power generation for a high power railgun or laser even if that weapon was available. While there are rumors a future version based on this ship might include such a propulsion type I think that is highly unlikely without a major redesign.這些船上的推進系統不是電力驅動的。中國海軍領導層自己也這麼說過。它使用了類似的推進系統到052D，但是功率是兩倍。即使有軌道炮或激光這種高功率武器，它也沒有足夠的電力。雖然有傳言說，基於這艘船的未來版本可能包括這樣的推進類型，但我認為如果沒有重大的重新設計，這是非常不可能的。The Chinese basically launched all the ship types they were rumored to be designing so far, with the exception of the Type 075 LHD. Their Type 002 CATOBAR conventionally powered carrier, submersible arsenal ship, and next generation submarines are rumored to be in the design stage. The Chinese recently finished constructing a new high capacity submarine construction facility so I would not be surprised if we saw their new nuclear new submarines over the next two years. However their nuclear submarine program is a lot more secretive so do not expect a public fancy parade on the launch like what was done here.除了075 LHD以外，中國基本上已經發布了他們目前所設計的所有類型的船型。據傳聞，他們的「002號」型常規動力彈射航母、潛水武庫艦（！？）和下一代潛艇都在設計階段中。中國最近建造了一個新的高容量潛艇建造設施，所以如果我們在未來兩年內看到他們的新型核潛艇，我不會感到驚訝。然而，他們的核潛艇計劃要保密得多，所以不要指望像這次一樣，在下水時進行一次公開的儀式。I agree, short-term their objectives are control over the SCS and 1st island chain. But "term" is relative; China is not nearly as focused on the next quarter"s profit/loss as the West is.我同意，短期他們的目標是控制南海和第一島鏈。但「時期」是相對的;中國並沒有像西方那樣關注下一個季度的利潤/損失。Yeah, I think this is more of a threat to India/Japan and China"s propping up the defense of the sea trade lanes. The same lanes the USN has been protecting since the end of WWII. I just don"t see that a shooting war is inevitable with China.是的，中國開始接管海上貿易通道的防禦，我認為這對印度和日本來說是一種威脅。自二戰結束以來，美國一直在保護這條道路。我只是不認為與中國的戰爭是不可避免的。It"s a concern yes but unlike Russia, China has a real stake in smooth relations with the US and the West. I just can"t see an even somewhat rational Chinese leader wanting to start a shooting war in their region or with the US. The way the trade balance is right now China is doing well so how is it in their interest to mess that up. We just have to be firm with them and set boundries like with NK. NK now is a stone around their neck but they don"t want to deal with it for the most part.這是一個令人擔憂的問題，但與俄羅斯不同，中國在與美國和西方國家的關係上有著真正的利害關係。我只是看不出有多少理性的中國領導人想要在他們的地區對美國發動一場戰爭。目前中國在貿易平衡方面做得很好，把這一問題弄得一團糟是不符合他們的利益的。我們只需要對他們有堅定的態度，同時與朝鮮劃清界限。朝鮮現在是中國脖子上的一塊石頭，但在大多數情況下中國不想處理它。I still think the Russian Far East is an easier target for China. Chinese are migrating to the RFE at a recent rate of 800k-1m a year. There are only 6 mil white Russians in the RFE. China may end up getting the RFE without a shot being fired just through demographics alone.I still think the Russian Far East is an easier target for China. Chinese are migrating to e RFE at a recent rate of 800k-1m a year. There are only 6 mil white Russians in the RFE. China may end up getting the RFE without a shot being fired just through demographics alone.我仍然認為，俄羅斯遠東地區對中國來說是一個更容易的目標。中國人正以每年800萬至100萬的速度遷移到遠東地區。在遠東地區只有6百萬俄羅斯白人。中國可能最終不費一槍一彈靠人拿下遠東。（有點扯）A great summary of the Type 55 and the comparison to the latest production J-20"s is appropriate.The Chinese are rapidly developing a broad array of indigenous weapons systems and its becoming increasing difficult to keep track of many projects making their way through RD and into production.I"ll be interested to see if all the rumors pan out and we see later this year first images of a stealth bomber.對055型和最新生產的殲-20進行比較是合適的。中國正在迅速開發大量的自主武器系統，而且越來越難以跟蹤許多項目的研發和生產過程。我很想知道所有的傳聞是否都能得到證實，我們將在今年晚些時候看到一架隱形轟炸機的照片。This is a wonderful thread! Thank you to all who are participating.A couple other things I left out—apparently this VLS system will accommodate larger rounds than US versions, even the Mark 57. I believe it is a cold launch system, or has the ability to do both. This could mean some big missiles with very long-long range could equip the ship in the future. The Chinese are likely working on 3rd party targeting/cooperative engagement capability like the US. As such this ship can act as a remote magazine for long-range anti-air and surface to ground missiles. Would help J-20 and J-31 with limited magazine depth. Even J-15 could benefit which can have their launch weight penalized due to non assisted takeof這是個好帖子，感謝所有參與的人。我還想說一些其他的東西——顯然這個VLS系統會比我們的版本更大，甚大於Mark 57。我相信這是一冷發射系統，或者冷熱都可。這可能意味著一些長程的大型導彈可以在未來裝備這艘船。中國人很可能像美國一樣，致力於第三個目標/合作的參與能力。因此，這艘船可以作為遠程防空和地面彈的載體。可以幫助載彈量有限的j-20和j-31。即使是無助力起飛的j-15也可以收益。-------------------------------------再翻譯一些印度軍版網友的吧，我不是外語系畢業的，水平有限，見笑了。網友來自世界各國，很重實證，幾乎沒有燒餅言論。南非網友：After the type 055 in service, the upgrading version of type 055 destroyer will be carried on just like type 052 -052B-052C-052D as all the systems on board are homemade.055型驅逐艦入列後，其升級版將會像052-052 b-052c-052d型一樣進行升級，因為所有的系統都是自製的。一位中國網友說：It is a remarkable accomplishment, isn"t it? To build such a warship would have been unthinkable for us only twenty years ago,but look at where we are now,I feel very pround of my country!這是一項了不起的成就，是吧。二十年前這還不可想像，但是現在看看我們，我為我的國家感到驕傲。不明國籍網友：yes, you should certainly be proud. despite what anyone may say, Im very impressed with two things about China- (I) Their rapid strides in defence production capabilities and (ii) their Infrastructure construction capabilities.It always boggles the mind as to why doesn"t India solve its issues with China and partner with them. An India China axis would literally F**K the world. I guess the colonial hangover will take another century to go.是的，你當然應該感到自豪。不管別人怎麼說，我對中國的兩件事印象深刻:(一)他們在國防生產能力方面的快速進步和(二)他們的基礎設施建設能力。為什麼印度不解決與中國的問題，並與之合作，這總是讓人感到很不理解。一個印度的中國軸心將會真正地統治世界。我猜，（消除）殖民時期的影響還需要一個世紀。印度網友：Brilliant ship. Envious. 好船，羨慕。
