如何評價韓國歌手Naul和朴孝信的唱功?


jNaul不熟悉,不敢妄評。

和樓上答主們對朴孝信(男神)的評價不同的是,至少對於部分聽眾而言,他封神根本不是退伍後的事情。

我2000年左右開始聽他的歌,那時候他已經是出道就一炮而紅拿過金唱片新人獎的超級新人,2輯《second story》里金東律寫的《憧憬》和尹相寫的《在遠方》至今都是歌手必修曲。3輯主打歌《好人》拿了當年好幾個歌謠大賞的本賞,撇開趕牛式唱法的發聲不說,這首歌里他真假音轉換簡直是出神入化。同個作曲家寫了4輯主打歌《站在那裡》,全專也是廣受好評,拿獎眾多。也就是說最起碼在唱《雪之花》之前的朴孝信就是成名大家了。

當然,隨著趕牛唱法漸漸過時,朴神從2007年的5輯起已經在大幅改變唱法,給人凝練的耳目一新的感覺,主打歌是《回憶與愛情相似》,還有一首日後被盛讚的神級曲目《lost》也收錄在這張。

2008年他和前東家打官司時,我記得有一次在韓網亂逛,看到有位樂評人這樣盛讚:「感謝朴孝信作為韓國人生在這個國家,這是我們的幸運」。

很高興看到這兩年唱著《野生花》和《shine your light》的朴神能得到那麼多人的捧場。一個歌手,幾乎完全拋棄過去的唱法,去掉聲音里的雕琢,完全地返璞歸真並再次取得成功,是多麼不容易的事情。

當我為寫這個答案,回頭把他的歌又聽了一遍,從我小時候聽的,到最近出來的,就像在聽一部韓國21世紀主流抒情曲的歷史。這大概就是朴孝信的意義吧。


只聽過早期《雪之花》的你能想像朴孝信是這樣的?

有天夜裡聽了幾首現場,然後我就陣亡了。遂題絕妙詞【自封】一首。序:已經陣亡!亡前擬詞!

聆聲痴,窺顏醉。畫外聽音,余伶皆兒戲。崑山玉碎鳳凰啼。彈丸鄰國,朴神稱孝信。 高音颯,低聲沉。尤擅中音,醇綿如酣醴。芙蓉泣露香蘭郁。才比青蓮,況有後主藝。

跋:不用管我,我是靜靜。

~~~~~發痴的分割線~~~~~

我15年有一天晚上無意中點開「老弱病殘字幕組」的土豆自頻道《野生花》的MV,鬼使神差當時先下載了沒有立即聽。

之前是知道朴孝信的,手機歌單里有《雪之花》;B站的那個著名排行視頻也看了,知道他近年的唱法比10年前改變了很多。

當終於打開了《野生花》視頻聽的時候,是在一個深夜,然後就開始無限循環了,我真的聽著一夜沒睡。在不看字幕的情況下,這首歌的感情也可以充分被聽者感受。我一方面驚嘆於他用嗓比起《雪之花》的徹底改變,甚至覺得音色都有很大變化了;一方面驚嘆於年輕的他通過音樂表達出的感情如此豐沛又層次分明。

我第一次因為一首歌,一首開始根本不能知道LYRIC講什麼的歌【現在也不知道】,一首配樂簡單MV樸實的歌,迷上了一位歌手,甚至在完全不知道他經歷的情況下覺得他太勵志了!【真的聽完歌覺得身體最深處略有些顫抖不很強烈卻持續了很久,然後莫名其妙我就被森森的鼓勵了】

我喜歡RB,從此喜歡朴孝信。

然後我看了很多演唱會現場,發現他說話輕聲細語很溫柔,一唱歌又變得特別深情,《野生花》很多次深情到自己把自己唱哭了。

歌聲之外,美顏高個身材好,手也美得

跳起舞來很好玩兒的樣子。

B站有人在彈幕上說「唱得比你好,長得比你好,努力比你多的代表」,深以為然。

關於唱功,我完全不懂,並不影響我欣賞他的音樂,。

Naul的《風之記憶》和孝信神的《野生花》都是不用懂歌詞,聽他們唱出來就陷入深深的情感漩渦的代表作。

~~~~~最早的答案~~~~~~

朴孝信——聽完《野生花》完全無法相信這是10年前唱《雪之花》的那位歌手!之前不是一開口就哭了嗎?不是音色聽起來厚厚的像個中年人嗎?怎麼會這樣?現在居然音色都改變了的樣子?怎麼不是大哭嗓了?怎麼變成oppa的顏+音了?怎麼坐著唱氣息還是這麼足?怎麼會數年之間聽起來判若兩人?


兩位大神的共同點是都不上電視?現場全是飯拍也是醉...

作為朴孝信的粉絲,如果排除看臉因素,個人也是非常喜歡naul的風格的。《用耳朵》(其實好像應該叫歸路&>_&<)簡直唱到靈魂深處的感覺,雖然韓語無能卻感動滿滿,看過很多翻唱的版本更覺得原唱厲害,這首歌我可以循環很久很久...

《風之記憶》melon歷史上點贊最多歌曲排名第四,第二是朴孝信的《野生花》^_^ 高音部分太驚艷了,不飄不刺耳不歇斯底里,有一種深深的哀傷

另外兩首我非常喜歡的是naul和tablo合作的airbag,和dynamic duo合作的ring my bell,百聽不厭,naul的聲線和即興轉音太適合跟黑泡歌手合作了,節奏加soul,堪稱完美...

朴孝信在中音區聲線非常舒服,氣息很厲害,我還沒有發現比他更厲害的。作為一個男中音,早期對高音的把控還是不夠,不過近年功力大漲,之前的《雪之花》和《花信》就不多談了,神曲《野生花》簡直可以稱為K-pop的巔峰之作... 而且還是自己作詞作曲,這首歌一定要看MV效果才最佳,編曲和音源不同,鋼琴伴奏野外收音一鏡到底,bridge部分的迴腸盪氣,非常震撼

朴孝信的現場比CD好太多,我覺得到了這個級別的歌手CD似乎已經無法承載滿溢的感情了,《野生花》現場不光把觀眾唱哭自己也唱哭:p

另外一點我覺得他非常厲害的是對舞台的掌控力,在演唱會除了能唱好《再見我的愛》《不能為你做的事》《好人》等一系列ballad曲之外,還能又唱又跳的表演《happy》《uptown funk》《fantastic baby》,嗨翻全場,liveshin真的不是吹。想像一下naul頂著光頭邊扭變唱《uptown funk》....額 畫面太美

他是唯一一位我非常非常想去現場看live的外國歌手..

樓上提到了音樂劇,我覺得韓國的音樂劇似乎跟我們所說的歌劇還是有一些不同?並不是專業學美聲的演員演,很多愛豆和演員也都在演,唱功並不一定很好,畢竟他們音樂劇多,是講票房的。作為粉絲其實希望他不要演太多音樂劇啊,快點把專輯發了先

總之兩位都是韓國歌壇大神級人物,我覺得目前我國還沒有人能與之一戰- -


啊對這個看臉的世界絕望了果然大部分回答都是朴孝信嚶嚶嚶,那我來說一說Naul吧,基本上算是對Brown Eyed Soul』s Vocal Analysis: Naul [Newly Updated] 這篇文章一個簡單的翻譯梳理和總結,沒啥個人觀點

【能掛上胃屁恩英語又還不錯的胖友們請直接點擊鏈接觀看不用看下面我的瞎叨叨了畢竟我各種不專業(「不專業你還好意思翻?」「懷著讓更多人了解Naul神的想法(比哈特)。「

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  • 音域

先祭上兩個視頻(′?ω?`)

(Brown Eyed Soul)Na-Ul Vocal Range—在線播放—優酷網,視頻高清在線觀看

Naul"s Vocal Range (G2 ~ C6)—在線播放—優酷網,視頻高清在線觀看 http://v.youku.com/v_show/id_XMTUwMDE4MDQ3Mg==.html

Vocal Range

G2 – C6

Supported Range

C#3/D3 – C5

C#3/D3 – G5 (加上頭聲)

總的來說,

低音域(Lower Voice),到C#3/D3都很好,低於此的會失去支持且缺少聲線投射(Vocal Projection);

中音區/混聲區(Mixed Voice/Middle):他最擅長的音域,在E4到C5之間能發出非常響亮飽滿的共鳴,經常高於C5喉頭就開始抬高,並且開始strain;

高音區(Upper Register):G5以下的頭聲雖然主要放置於面罩(Mask Placed)但仍然有很好的支撐,高於此的會變緊。

  • 聲音的靈活性(Agility)

非常靈活,在他的每個音區里都能唱出很複雜的Vocal Runs,既不缺少力量與速度,也不失去音準。(比如You, He Is Real, ???? (Live), ???? (Live), Love Ballad, Ring My Bell, Sad Cafe和????這些歌里)。另外在????里他展示了從G5到C3再回到C4的vocal run。

?? ??-Na Ul, ?? ??MP3下載,歌詞下載

  • 音樂素養(Musicianship)

在他廣闊的音樂生涯中,Naul展示出了對音樂深刻的理解。無論是通過控制聲音的強弱和頓挫來喚起聽眾強烈的感情,還是通過各種快速音階和高音belting來傳遞歌曲信息,他是一個無論唱什麼曲風都能準確地知道如何通過表現和控制自己的聲音來加強音樂信息的傳遞的歌手。尤其來說, 他比較擅長在RB, Soul, Ballad, Funk and Gospel等體裁的音樂中展現自己的編曲 、和聲和音樂想法。

這裡有一個他的各種現場即興(ad-lib)合集

  • Overall Analysis

我天太長了有興趣的胖友請加油自己看(握拳

幫大家總結一下主要邏輯——

讚美→從小到現在聲樂技巧回顧梳理(伴隨舉了無數例子)→當然他也有自己一些小小的問題啦(主要是喉嚨開閉和鼻音的問題)→但是這些小問題完全不影響他的了不起哼唧→理論上來說他還可以繼續提高但其實也不是非常必須的啦~

A legendary vocalist from the 90』s if you have listened to any male

Korean vocalist, it is extremely likely you have heard someone inspired

by Naul. A testament to the saying 「finer with time」 Naul has improved

immensely from when he first stepped, or shall I say, 「ran」 on the

scene. With a voice that』s light as a feather and a singing approach

that allows for him to have ease not only in a higher singing range many

Sopranos struggle with, but also a bright singing style that allows for

him to sing all over his range with connection and speed hardly ever

seen in K-pop. Some may refer to his ability to sing throughout his

range with such control and agility to be characteristic of a classical

voice type often referred to as a 「Leggier Tenor.」 But for the purposes

of this analysis, such fachs shall be avoided in a contemporary music

context.

When Naul was younger, he actually had an issue with lacking

projection and supporting his lower register below F#3 as shown by his

D3 in Sad Cafe and his E3s in ???? and For You. Over time, while the

lack of projection remained, he was able to develop support down to

C#3/D3 (This Song, Love Ballad, and He Is Real). This lack of

development is possibly caused by the fact that he never vocalizes below

E3 for long periods of time or outside of his runs. Naul』s focus has

always been singing in a higher range and he to this day doesn』t really

phrase songs that go below D3 often. Instead he writes music

specifically for the best range in his voice where he knows he shines

and is able to vocalize with full power, which would explain why below

C#3 he tends to have a more muffled sound in his lower range and become

airy, resorting to lowering his larynx to sing down to G2. This is the

single least developed register Naul has, which still isn』t a badly

developed register at all.

Even from debut, Naul has always had a rather large sound output and

full resonance starting as low as E4. However, this register has also

seen large improvement. About 15 years ago, Naul』s resonance ended

directly on A4 while notes above would be tight and strained (the Bb4 in

??? ?? ?? and the B4 in Pass Me By). Over time, Naul began to develop

his resonance higher as shown by the Bb4 in Blue Day, the B4s in

Anything (Through The Rain) and Rapture, and the C5s in Love

Ballad(Live), MY Everything, and ????. However, as shown in My Story,

once he goes above this though, his larynx begins to raise. Despite

singing with a high larynx, Naul is able to vocalize in the fifth octave

for extended periods of time without too much fatigue (Memory Of The

Wind, Sad Cafe, ????, and ????). Due to the light muscle coordination to

vocalize with a brighter mix, with head dominance, he is able to show

good stamina and often vocalizes above C5. Despite the strain, Naul is

mostly in complete control of his placement and his pitch, being able to

run and up from the top of his range down to the bottom without

struggling with his control.

Possibly the only register that hasn』t changed over time is Naul』s

upper register. Naul』s upper register is a fairly developed head voice.

Despite this, he unfortunately places the sound on the mask instead of

his head to achieve the twangy RB sound. Even with the mask

placement, Naul is able to support his head voice well up to G5. Notes

above this though become pushed, shrill, and somewhat yelled. He doesn』t

often sing notes above G5 but occasionally sustains big mask placed

head voice notes in that range, such as the G#5 in 「??? ???」. It could

be helpful for Naul to develop and explore more of a head placed head

voice but for the purpose of style, his singing approach and placement

in his head voice suit the kind of music he sings and enable him to

properly blend his higher mixed voice range with his head voice,

allowing for seamless transitions throughout his range, showing a very

well connected instrument from bottom to top.

The few setbacks Naul has are due to stylistic approaches he uses. He

often opts for a brighter mix and often chooses to sing with a more

closed sound even within his supported range. Despite that, he is able

to vocalize with control in his mix and choose when to stylistically

sing with more rasp or control the ratio of head and chest voice in his

mixed. Another issue is his placement. He often places his voice in his

nose to have more ease when singing up above Bb4 and in order to sing

with more agility in a high range. This can at times be overbearing

stylistically and takes away resonance from notes well within a range he

could potentially produce with a much more opened sound. Despite these

minor setbacks, the fact that Naul is completely in control of when or

where to add nasality or close his throat for stylistic purposes adds

much more to his overall vocal ability to be the one in command of his

own instrument.

One can easily hear the influence American RB singers such as

Michael Jackson and Stevie Wonder had not only on Naul』s style, but his

musical ideas and his overall sound. This influence carried over from

Naul to influence multiple idols in the K-pop industry today, from 2PM』s

Jun.K, to MBLAQ』s G.O. and SHINee』s Jonghyun,

and will still carry over for many years to come with his huge fame and

legacy. At some point improvement is a possibility but not a necessity.

It is true that Naul could potentially work to further improve his

mixed voice to avoid straining above C5 where he often phrases his

songs, or to properly develop his lower range below C#3 but for the

music that Naul sings, he』s at a place in his career and vocal

development that these details in his voice doesn』t necessarily affect

him too negatively and could only be worked on if he were to be more of a

perfectionist in his singing technique

最後這個blog給了他的評級是Great Vocalist,同級的有Ann One和Lena Park(朴正炫),高於他的有Sohyang(=w=)因為這主要是一個評idol的blog啦所以非偶像歌手的不太多,供參考~


倆位的唱功都很好就不多說了,曾經在韓國樂壇都是轟動的人物(因為還沒出道的時候唱功就有知名度了)

作為一個喜歡了朴孝信7年的粉,覺得對他的唱功還是能評價的,雖然非專業

朴孝信從最開始有廣泛關注度就是那首《雪之花》,韓國特色的厚嗓音大哭腔,很容易把人帶入感情中難以自拔,可當時雖然他的唱功不錯,音穩音準,可是氣短,算是現在愛豆組合里主唱的水平

在後來又發行了新專輯《相愛之後》,這首歌當時也在韓國大受好評,聽現場live的話雖然有瑕疵但明顯比前幾年《雪之花》的時候好太多了,加上這首歌確實不好唱,現場演繹可以打7分左右

其實朴孝信的入伍前作品在唱功上已經有了很大的提升,在服完兵役出來以後有短暫的休息,隨後讓公眾眼前一亮的就是那首《野生花》,其實看看有人製作的韓國男歌手唱功排行,人家評論朴孝信就是在這些年打通了任督二脈,唱功升華到了一個新高度,看看現場或演唱會,都會發現從前的氣短不穩的情況真的都沒了,真正的成為了可以站在頂端的歌手

打了這麼多手機都快沒電了=_=因為對na的歷程不是太了解就私心只評論了朴孝信,還有啊還有,雖然嗓音厚但朴朴也真的是可以靠臉吃飯的他不是大叔啊不是


朴孝信本座,naul四天王之一。

韓國媒體自己排的。


我一男的,聽完野生花差點懷孕。


99年剛出道就已渾厚大哭腔出名,要說是愛豆主唱那種水平我認為還真太看得起愛豆了,此人就是老天爺賞飯吃的典型,音準音感音音律氣息等各方面在這十幾年的修鍊中已達到爐火純青的地步。而且他的大優勢是適合任何曲風,不管苦情,節奏感強的跳唱歌或者是搖滾等都可以駕馭。07年他改變唱法開始已慢慢走上封神之路,10年當兵前聲道未全部打通,但已被稱為朴本座,12年韓網排名投票第一,官方排名他和naul兩人是第一檔。聲道真正完全打通應該是退伍後的13年,好比打通任督二脈。14年神曲野生花一出,口碑音源牛B到爆,年曲第二,封神完成,進入更高境界的神域,和眾人已揮手說拜拜。PS:不要被早期的的渾厚大嗓嚇到,歐巴只有34,還是一張idol臉的帥歐巴!!


都是韓國80一代頂尖的高手,唱功上朴是低位置共鳴的典範,影響很大,韓國後來的無數練習生都是按他的模子練的。naul則是典型的高位置共鳴,聲音清晰明亮通透,但是像他這麼唱的很少,因為太難了。

兩個人還有個共同點就是超級低調,幾乎都不會上電視節目,但是在韓國的人氣都很好,出的新歌不用四處宣傳也能在音源榜上有很好的成績。


都是頂級高手以前在B站看了一位up做的排行不錯

你可以看看韓國男歌手現場唱功排行【個人向】_Korea相關

個人看完覺得A以下可能還有爭議,但是A以上估計就無話可說了。

而且這位up主還有做女歌手的排行就在up的個人主頁里。


難得看到有評論naul大神的~~

只說一個親身經歷。

幾年前的聖誕節去韓國玩,正好碰上brown eyed soul的演唱會就去了

naul 一首風之記憶生生把我這個不知道歌詞講什麼的人給唱哭了,坐在位置上狂抹眼淚,甚至已經過了這麼久,想到這首歌,都忍不住要流眼淚!

中文歌雖然聽得懂,但真的!還沒有聽哭的情況出現過

不僅僅是那段震撼的高音,還有對歌曲的感情融入和詮釋,對我而言完全神一般存在。

朴孝信的歌聽得不多,因為不太喜歡大哭腔。

退伍之後,他唱法改變,幾首主打也聽了,但是都印象不深。

就算是被封為神曲的野生花,我也沒啥感動(這就所謂蘿蔔青菜各有所愛吧)

另外看過幾個他的音樂劇伊麗莎白的飯拍,額,如果要發展音樂劇這塊,要走的路還很長啊。。。。


為什麼評價Naul的都是匿名的~~


我媽說朴大神的聲音像

黃致列……


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