為什麼GRE和TOEFL考試的報名費這麼高?
如題,想知道大家對這個問題的看法。
一場考試1200+、1500+元,總覺得好像高得有點誇張。
這些費用大概有多少比例是成本,多少是ETS的利潤呢?
作為對ETS這類考題機構有一定了解的人,大概解答如下:
1. 一套好的試卷是極其昂貴的。
不要把這個試卷想像成學校里期中期末考試那種;後者比起來簡直就是爛卷子。要切實的考量一個人的知識,卷子的題目出法是非常講究的。一不能過難,沒有區分度;二不能太簡單,沒有區分度;三不能有歧義,會導致錯誤的評估;四不能允許test-wisdom的存在(test-wisdom就是諸如都不會就選長的那個,都不懂就選B或C)。
所以為了出這樣一套卷子,ETS等機構或公司僱傭了大批教育心理方面的專家來出題,並且需要不停做測試評估題目是否滿足條件,其成本非常高。因此,如果一個學校要ETS幫忙出套卷子,價格也是極高的。
2. ETS不存在"利潤"。ETS是非盈利機構,所有收入必須全部用於支付工資和研發。當然,ETS的僱員工資是不低的。。。。
但是出題的不僅是ETS一家。其他很多是盈利機構,例如Pearson集團。
謝邀。留學考試的收費接近全球同價,也就是一門考試的收費不過200美元左右。以美國人的收入而言,這並不算多麼昂貴的費用。類似的道理可以參考麥當勞,中國的中檔食品在美國就是街頭麵條店的存在。
另外,ETS是非盈利性機構,利潤問題不用考慮。這不是冠冕堂皇的掩飾,美國對這類機構的審查是極嚴格的。
中國這幾年每年出國留學的人數大概是五十萬人,其中大多數是去英語國家,相當一部分去歐洲或者香港日本的學生也需要考托福雅思,參加托福雅思考試的人保守用四十萬人算?即便假設每人只考一次(雖說很多人考了不止一次,甚至有所謂「刷分」現象出現),每年的考試費收入應該遠大於400000*1800=7.2億人民幣,這還只是中國的考生,所以我真的不知道他們的成本要如何計算才能得出「非盈利」的結論。
非法轉載一篇文章,真的希望中國學生盡量少干「刷分」這樣的事,咱不差錢,但也不要給英美帝國主義一筐一筐地砸錢啊
Why TOEFL is a money making machine and ETS doesn』t respect You
By raychenon on January 2, 2016
To start the new year, I will add one more Rant about the TOEFL iBT ( in addition to this rant from an Oxford scholar) . One week before the test, I took some practice with Notefull videos . Joseph Miranda does a great job at explaining how to score well on the TOEFL iBT. The latter is not exactly measuring English skills , you have to know different kinds of tricks which are not even nearly related to English skills. My weakness is the Speaking part . My English speaking is fluent but I find it unnatural to say everything in 45 sec or 60 sec ( no more , no less). The voice is recorded and later scored by a certified ETS rater. It is a similar to a rapper contest without the rhythm. Even in my native language ( French ), I cannot do it. I passed the test on December 5 at GLS Sprachenzentrum Berlin. Despite the training from Notefull, I knew I fucked up the speaking part.
@http://ets.org agents reply like robots
I received my score, 10 days later , I thought I performed better. Only 22 on writing.
I knew I could score better at reading and much more at writing ( I used the right paragraph structure according to Notefull. Wrote 350+ words for the first essay and 500+ for the 2nd =&> the more the higher score). Surprised , I requested toeflsupport4germany@ets.org to see my corrected exam. Here is the template answer I received :
Thank you for contacting the TOEFL Program.
Dear Mr.,
Thank you for your email.
Please be informed that we do offer a score review service – after receiving your scores, you can request a review of the Writing section and/or the Speaking section of your TOEFL iBT? test. You have 1 month after your test date to request a review. IMPORTANT NOTE – the score review service is not available if you have already requested that your scores be sent to any institutions or agencies.
Keep in mind that you can only request only 1 score review per test administration, and there is a cost of US$80 for each section. Both sections together cost US$160.
If the review results in a change in your scores (either higher or lower), your new scores will be posted to yourTOEFL online account, and you will receive a revised test taker score report if you requested a paper copy before you took the test. The revised scores will become your official scores.
Download the Score Review Request Form at http://www.ets.org/toefl/ibt/scores/scoring.
Results of the score review will be posted online within 3 weeks of the receipt of your request and payment
If you have any further questions, please don』t hesitate to contact us again.
Kind regards,
Stefania
Agent ID: xxx
Case ID: xxxx
US$80 to request one score review ?? It is no secret that paying for an extra review will grant a higher score. Now I never asked to review, I simply requested to see my corrected test.
The TOEFL test taker are not allowed to display parts of the exam in any public environments. So I understand their refusal to show only the reading and listening parts because they are multiple choice questions. But the answers can be so different on the writing and speaking sections. So why hide it ?
ETS agents only reply with template answer. I don』t know if these agents can properly read emails. After 5 exchanges , I am redirected to toefl@ets.org to request a correction of my exam. Judging by the template answers the ETS agent reply , I seriously doubt they can get a B1 on the Reading.
Thank you for contacting the TOEFL Program.
Dear ,
It』s great to hear you took the TOEFL? test!
We received your request for a score review – unfortunately, your scores can』t be reviewed because you have already requested that they be sent to at least one institution or agency.
As stated on the TOEFL website at http://www.ets.org/toefl/ibt/scores/scoring and on the Score Review Request Form, our policy is that scores cannot be reviewed if the test taker has selected any institution or agency as a score recipient.
Furthermore, our Score Review service is not available for the Reading or Listening sections of the TOEFL iBT? test. Those sections are scored by computer and validated by the ETS? Score Quality Control process. The Reading and Listening sections are graded and validated in several stages, and the scores can』t be put through our review process.
If you decide to take the test again to try to improve your scores, be sure to check out all the free and priced test preparation products at http://www.ets.org/toefl/ibt/prepare.
We』re sorry we can』t be of more help!
ETS is committed to improving your customer service experience. Please take a moment and complete a short Customer Service Survey at: http://surveys1013.websurveyor.net/wsb.dll/bfried/VOTCE.htm?WSB36=TOEFL
Thank you in advance for your participation.
Maria xxxx
Case ID xxxxx
How qualified are TOEFL examiners ?
OK by reading above , I guess I will never see my corrected essays. It is no use to waste my time . If the monkeys behind @http://ets.org email cannot read and answer by their own words , I don』t blame them. What about the people who score the test : writing and speaking ? The examiners must have at least a higher command of English . I checked the requirements for the scoring job opportunities ( note this is not specific for TOEFL )
The Online Network for Evaluation (ONE) is ETS』s proprietary software application that enables Raters to score test-taker responses and/or other submitted work via secure Internet access. Raters typically score from their homes or offices, in accordance with ETS guidelines. Online scoring sessions may occasionally be conducted at regional sites.
The process for each testing program includes:
……
To certify and score using the ETS Online Scoring system, prospective Raters must have computer equipment that meets the minimum hardware and software requirements.
So the raters are just a bunch of people working from home. There is no need to have a bachelor, no English certification required ( TEFL certification ) . 這部分尤其諷刺 The English teachers I met in China and Germany aren』t the smartest crowd, yet they have at least a bachelor. I have nothing against them, some are very smart ( one was a former investment banker). But these guys/gals recruited by ETS have no fuck*** credentials. There is no requirements for them to speak fluent English. Just have a computer and internet connection, and you can score any TOEFL listening and writing tests. I wonder where are located the ETS scorers ? If I were the CEO of ETS , I would put the bare minimum for all raters at least 26 out of 30 on the Writing or Speaking sections.
On top of that, ETS charges US$80 to review the speaking or writing part . My guess estimation is that it takes no more that 30 minutes to score each section. Sorry ETS ( Educational Testing Service ), I think the test takers deserve more respect from you. Especially when you charge US$245 for a 4h test in Europe. I got excellent customer service for as cheap as US$10. ETS has the monopoly of the TOEFL, it is just a lobbying and money sucking machine.
So next time, I will look at IELTS . At least the IELTS speaking part is done in the presence of an academic examiner. ETS, don』t count on me to take your GRE. I prefer the GMAT.托福考試報名費中國不是最貴的,澳大利亞是最貴的,300美金合人民幣1860元錢
http://The TOEFL Test: Find Your Format。
美國GRE考試報名費195美金合人民幣1170元,中國GRE考試報名費1287元兩者相差沒多少錢。
美國托福考試報名費190美金合人民幣1160元,中國托福考試報名費1635元。中國相對收取的費用比較高。
$200在美國也算貴??
首先,出題本身是一個大學問,需要僱傭一大堆的高級別人才去做。成績能得到政府認可(甚至不只是一個國家政府)的一個考試,試卷出得爛怎麼可能對得起用戶。
其次,就算試卷是現成的,行政成本在西方國家也是要錢的。
第三,對於西方收入來說,$200基本上就是半天一天的工資。。。。
要怪,就怪中國消費水平不和世界接軌吧,拿著中國的收入,在國外消費,呵呵呵
因為ETS出一套試卷要80w呀
唔,雅思的1750難道最貴?不科學啊簡直
說明專業
聽考過的某人說
出一套題至少要花10萬美金
不,你看有多少重複的題庫就知道他們是多麼的「非盈利」。美國人最喜歡干著冠冕堂皇的事情事實是圈錢。SAT有多少重複的題,一套北美用了亞洲再用。全球考生多少*一兩百美刀,減掉上面所說成本的「七八十萬」,算算留給ETS多少錢- -
ETS是非盈利性機構,考試這麼貴,是因為出題的成本很高。
考多了你就麻木了
所以,為什麼要交1200+、1500+,說白了就是人家出個卷子就是因為人家的報酬就是那麼多?
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