如何評價土耳其總統埃爾多安(Recep Tayyip Erdo?an)關於「男女不同」的言論?

Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan on Monday declared that women are not equal to men and launched a bitter attack against feminists in Turkey, claiming they reject the concept of motherhood.

Speaking at a summit in Istanbul on justice for women, the devoutly Muslim president said that biological differences between women and men meant they cannot serve the same functions in life.

"Our religion (Islam) has defined a position for women (in society): motherhood," Erdogan told an audience of Turkish women including his own daughter Sumeyye.

"Some people can understand this, while others can"t. You cannot explain this to feminists because they don"t not accept the concept of motherhood."

He recalled: "I would kiss my mother"s feet because they smelled of paradise. She would glance coyly and cry sometimes.

"Motherhood is something else."

He went on to say that women and men cannot be treated equally "because it is against human nature."

"Their characters, habits and physiques are different.... You cannot place a mother breastfeeding her baby on an equal footing with men.

"You cannot get women to do every kind of work men can do, as in Communist regimes.

"You cannot tell them to go out and dig the soil. This is against their delicate nature."

Erdogan was apparently referring to the practise during and after World War II for women in Communist states like the USSR to do heavy manual work in factories or in roles such as tram drivers.

The Islamic-rooted government of Erdogan has long been accused by critics of seeking to erode the country"s secular principles and limiting the civil liberties of women.

Erdogan has also drawn the ire of feminist groups for declaring that every woman in Turkey should have three children and with proposals to limit abortion rights and the morning-after pill.


//from MSN


另外原文下的評論區也非常有意思。

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/Women-not-equal-to-men-Turkeys-Erdogan/ar-BBfA1gM?ocid=ansnewsafp11


伊斯蘭尊重婦女……真是我今年聽過最大的笑話……

隨便去了解,出了穆斯林自己,哪個主流文化認同伊斯蘭教尊重女性?偏偏他們就是這麼認為的,任何反對意見聽不進去——你指出具體的行為,就有兩招等著你——

1,這不是伊斯蘭教的原意。古蘭經和伊斯蘭這麼博大精深的東西,正反雙方都能找到充足的論據——但是關鍵在於,穆斯林只能找到「理論依據」,其他人能輕易的找到現實中伊斯蘭是怎麼反現代文明迫害女性的。但是沒關係,你看排名第一的小小是怎麼洗地的就知道了,所有的責任,撇的乾乾淨淨。

2,說到現代文明,穆斯林第二招來了——風俗文化!這招真是萬能,穆斯林女性就是喜歡紗巾包頭,長袍裹體,在公共場合吃飯要掀開紗巾低頭側臉吃,不麻煩,人家喜歡,同時就是喜歡守貞,就是喜歡石刑和榮譽謀殺……我就納悶了,穆斯林女性不是human being??她們不喜歡自由、安全和自由自在的愛?

呸,要你管,我們伊斯蘭就是尊重女性(小小還特意強調了尊重「天性」,我的天!)

說到小小回答中邏輯混亂的地方,我提兩點吧~

1,尊重母親不等於尊重婦女。這是最簡單的道理了吧?中國古代一向以孝道為尊,那個人站出來和我說中國古代尊重婦女來給我看看?再說了,哪個文明不尊重母親,麻煩您幫我指出來,拿這個說事,忽略題目中一個國家元首流露出最明顯的性別歧視,要臉不?

2,我殺人了,但是小A小B都殺人了,所以殺人是對的(或者我沒殺人)。
這就是@小小的,邏輯,伊斯蘭婦女確實包頭蒙面穿長衫,但是其他文明也做過,所以我們沒錯——這言論是失心瘋嗎?

是否強迫最重要的是要看是否給予了女性其他的選擇。(最典型的就是修女,人家至少還有不當修女的選擇吧?),不給選擇說尊重,都是大傻鳥,和朝鮮一個德行。

還《古蘭經》,《古蘭經》還說要打你老婆打到服,你聽不聽?死了之後還有七十二個處女伺候你,這他媽叫尊重婦女?洗地洗得喪心病狂了吧?《古蘭經》說沒說女性死了之後有七十二個器大活好的男的伺候她啊?沒有?那你提個屁equality啊!

我尊重宗教,但是我希望所有的宗教徒直視自己宗教不好的地方,然後讓宗教與時俱進,最重要的,宗教應該讓人幸福,真正虔誠的宗教徒要致力於減少世間的苦難,而不是閉著眼捂著耳大聲說

「就是好咧就是好」!


對於扎髯客的回答,我必須指出以下錯誤,和我對他的評論一樣,請看以下論點:1。你說了蘇聯強制男女平等讓女性做男性的工作,你就說女性不適合?你能帶表哪類女性么?你去過北歐?你見過高大強壯的母親否?你知道她們願意做男性的工作否?她們有多少人不願意?有有多少人願意做男性的工作?如果有萬分之一的人願意,你要不要尊重她的選擇?你要不要讓她們像你一樣生活? 2.你舉了兩個土耳其女性的舞蹈例子,你要不要舉一下東歐蘇聯女性跳舞的例子?蘇聯人在那樣極端的統治下也會有快樂的時光不是么?更何況穆斯林無女權的國家呢? 3.土總統說的男女不平等,在印度教的奧義書也闡述過相似的論調,男人不能哺乳,女人勁小。佛教有很好的解釋,很簡單,肉體是外化的物質,皮囊下的靈魂是平等的,每個人都是被不同的外物束縛,外物的加持使得每個個體之間都不平等更別說男女了,中國男人的平均身高比印尼高比荷蘭矮就是一種相對不平等。但是平等是真如你說的這些外物加持影響的么?在你的眼裡看是的,因為你永遠也不會理解什麼叫眾生平等。土耳其總統也不會,你們是一類人,你們是不知道自我反省的一代穆斯林,不說別的就看了你這麼多回答,我會堅決反對從中東地區發展出來的那三個宗教


正教級別的女權是開拓女性的前途,讓女性自己選擇前途,這樣的話無論女性選擇衣著暴露還是蒙面罩袍、進工廠干體力活還是婚後不工作,只要是自願的選擇,那都是可以的

但真這樣的話,綠教又可以用洗腦的方式擴大人數


沒錯,逼著所有女性都去工廠工作是虐待婦女
但逼著所有女性都在家當媽,被人舔腳,必須有三個孩子也是虐待婦女好吧~
因為別人都走了極端自己就也可以走極端,伊斯蘭人這個神邏輯。
用詭辯馴服女人這一點連日本人都不如。

女人也是人,憑什麼每天被這些滾犢子指使著去干這去干那啊?
我們不能自己選擇自己要幹啥嗎?
我自願去工廠挖沙子,我自願當媽生一窩孩子,我自願守貞,我自願和天下男人ML到死,和這些人瞎嗶嗶的是不一樣的好吧?


You can"t ask a man to do a woman"s job... They just couldn"t do it. He"s right, we"re not equal. In many instances women are superior.

But a woman can do nearly whatever a man does. Anyway if they wanna choose to be a truck driver or manual worker, it"s their freedom and their right. Vice versa. They can choose (and should choose) their social positions. Asking them to stay at home is just a bullshit.

Of course there"re differences between genders, though, this Turkish president has gotten to a common view with those Communist "asking women to do heavy works", in accordance with the ignorance of women"s human rights and freedoms.

Well. at least in communist regimes yet they could choose the hard work they"re willing to do. |( ̄3 ̄)|

又黑大共產主義??


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