《冰與火之歌》雪伊是否背叛了小惡魔?為什麼?

還有就是,我沒有發現泰溫是如何將她抓回來的,波隆應該沒有背叛小惡魔啊


先回答題主:劇里泰溫在婚禮前不就對瑟曦說,把雪伊抓到首相塔去嗎?波隆其實也背叛了小惡魔。

關於雪伊
有三種猜測:(只針對劇不是書!!!!!)
1、雪伊從頭到尾在做戲,是個純bitch。但是劇里很明顯和小惡魔發生了真感情,如果連這份觀眾都動容的感情從頭到尾都是假的,我只能說,雪伊你對自己太狠了。不過蜘蛛曾經提醒過小惡魔,怎麼能這麼容易在你父親的軍營里找到這樣一個高尚的女人,以及雪伊反覆強調的那句:I am a whore。也許她還是如同書里寫的那樣,什麼都賣。

2、雪伊並非泰溫的間諜,而是真愛小惡魔,但是智商不夠,被小惡魔善意的謊言傷了心,所以背叛了他。

3、雪伊真愛小惡魔,和詹姆一樣與泰溫做了交易,幫著指證小惡魔使他認罪後,發配去長城和雪伊離開君臨

我個人是傾向於第三種猜測。原因如下:
1、書里有句雪伊指證小惡魔時,有一句很侮辱小惡魔的台詞:蘭尼斯特的巨人,但是劇里改成了my lion,這應該是導演要降低觀眾對雪伊的仇恨值
2、前面的劇集里,雪伊和小惡魔的愛情看上去是貨真價實的(當然如果導演要在後面來個大反轉證實第一種猜測的話我也無話可說),包括戰爭時雪伊不顧自身安危要去找小惡魔,以及發現小惡魔沒和珊莎圓房時那種自然而然流露出的竊喜,我都覺得不像是作假的
3、仔細看雪伊在做偽證時的表情,不覺得很僵硬嗎?這應該不是演員演技問題,而是導演讓她這麼演的,而且到最後小惡魔說要比武審判時,導演故意給了雪伊的一個鏡頭,明顯看到雪伊的表情很驚慌,如果她鐵了心要背叛小惡魔,要小惡魔死的話,有什麼好驚慌的呢?


————————————————————分割線——以上是5月13號的作答————————

14號的時候,我看到了一個對雪伊的演員本人的採訪Game of Thrones』 Sibel Kekilli Discusses Shae』s Treachery at the Trial of Tyrion Lannister,現在修改答案如下:
很有可能驗證了上面的第二種猜測
我把採訪里關於雪伊和小惡魔的對話都翻譯了一下
問是記者問,答是雪伊的演員答

Let』s talk about Tyrion』s trial. What was it like shooting those trial sequences?

It was really a big scene. It was not easy at all for Shae to be there. She is hurt, she is angry, sad, and desperate. She never wanted to be in that kind of situation but Tyrion forced her somehow. He always had the opportunity to go away with her to a safe place and live quietly and peacefully. Yet he has never taken it.
問:讓我們來談談提利昂的審判。這場審判究竟是怎樣的?(翻譯略渣)

答:這是一個真正的大場面。shae在那過得不容易。她受傷了,她很生氣,悲傷,絕望。她從來沒有想成為那樣的情況,然而她認為是提利昂造成的。因為他總是有機會離開和她到一個安全的地方,過平靜的生活。然而,他從來沒有採取那些措施。

Why do you think Shae agrees to testify against Tyrion?

Did she have a choice? The Lannisters found her and there was only a choice between agreeing to testify against Tyrion or die. And of course she was badly hurt and wanted revenge on him. She is a proud woman, she has always been fully loyal to Tyrion, and instead of maintaining her relationship he decided to go for power—and against love.
問:你認為雪伊為什麼同意作證反對提利昂?
答:難道她有選擇嗎?蘭尼斯特家有人發現了她,在同意作證指控提利昂或死亡之間只有一個選擇。(本人這裡有疑問,前面黑水河之戰劇集中已經證實了雪伊不怕死,這裡又來個怕死亡的威脅,編劇你精分嗎?)當然,她受了很重的情傷,想報復他。她是一個驕傲的女人,她一直是完全忠於提利昂,但提利昂決定為權力奔走而拒絕愛情。(這裡應該是指小惡魔不肯離開君臨和她遠走高飛,這兩人價值觀就不一樣。)

Shae has been very shrewd in the past, but it seems as if she』s been manipulated by House Lannister into doing their bidding. Why do you think she agreed?

I wouldn"t call it shrewd. I would rather call it straight and fearless. And as I mentioned before, I don`t think that there was a real choice she could make. Life was always teaching her to fight, and to stay alive. So now after Tyrion destroyed all her hopes for a safe, loving family life, she finds herself again at the point where she was before meeting Tyrion. And he hurt her so much, it was like spitting right into her face, so Shae would never just go away as if nothing really happened. She is simply at that point where she wants to take revenge for his actions.

問:shae一直很精明的,但在過去,她好像一直被蘭尼斯特家族操縱做他們的投標。為什麼你認為她同意這麼做?

答:我不會把這稱之為精明。我寧願成為直率,無所畏懼。正如我前面提到的,我不認為她能做出最真實的選擇。生活總是教她戰鬥和生存。所以,現在提利昂毀了她有一個安全的充滿愛的家庭生活的希望時,她發現自己又回到她遇到提利昂之前的境地。(略繞口,意思是提利昂不肯和她走,她又回到了沒遇到提利昂時的狀態,沒有依靠,任人宰割)他這樣地傷害她,就像往她臉上吐痰一樣,所以雪伊絕不會像什麼都沒發生一樣走開。她就是要報復他之前的行為。(看,就是報復)

What draws Shae to Tyrion?
I do believe Shae sees the vulnerability and honesty of Tyrion. She simply knows and feels that Tyrion is a loveable person.
問:提利昂什麼地方吸引雪伊?

答:我相信雪伊看到了提利昂的脆弱性和誠實。她知道並認為提利昂是一個值得愛的人。(真愛無疑)

And what do you think draws Tyrion to Shae?

Shae is a fearless, brave woman. She is honest and straight to him. She easily speaks what she thinks and not with the intention of initiating a fight with someone or playing games. Shae is a very loyal person.
問:那雪伊什麼地方吸引提利昂?

答:雪伊是一個無畏,勇敢的女人。她誠實,直率。她是單純地怎麼想就怎麼說,而不是耍心機。雪伊是一個非常忠誠的人。

Why do you think Shae refused to accept Varys』s offer of diamonds and a new life in Pentos at the end of Season 3?

Because Shae simply loves Tyrion and she knows that he loves her back even if he is worried and scared about their and his love most of the time. Also, she is a very proud woman. So, if Tyrion wants her to leave he should tell it himself right into her eyes. Besides, power and money are not the things that Shae is really interested in. Yes, at the very beginning of their encounter she might have been a little bit, but with time their relationship turned into real love so it didn』t matter anymore.
問:你認為為什麼在第3季的結束時雪伊拒絕接受瓦里斯的鑽石和新生活的提議 ?

答:因為雪伊就是簡單地愛著提利昂,她知道他也愛她,即使他大部分時間都在擔心和害怕。此外,她是一個非常驕傲的女人。所以,如果提利昂想讓她離開,她希望提利昂直接告訴她 (而不是由瓦利斯來說)。此外,權力和金錢都不是雪伊真正感興趣的,是的,在他們相遇的一開始,她可能有一點點(為了財富權力),但隨著時間的推移他們的關係變成了真正的愛情。

Why do you think Tyrion keeps rejecting Shae』s advances, including earlier this season?

I think he realizes more and more that Shae is in danger and that her presence in King"s Landing might also be dangerous to himself. He knows that Shae would never leave him or run away from something. Maybe you can call it naive but that"s the way Shae simply is. He has to act colder towards her and try harder to make her clear that this relationship is not safe anymore. Actually he is doing it because he wants to protect her somehow.
問:你認為為什麼此季一開始提利昂一直拒絕雪伊的主動?

答:我認為他越來越意識到雪伊正處於危險之中,而且她在君臨也可能對自己造成威脅。他知道雪伊永遠不會離開或逃避他,你可以把這叫做天真,但是這就是雪伊(她就是這樣的人)。他必須採取冷酷行動,他努力讓她清楚他們的關係不安全了。他這樣做是因為他想保護她。

And why does Shae suddenly start to become jealous of Sansa?


The behavior of Tyrion towards Sansa is part of what makes her jealous. At the same time, she recognizes that he is loving and protective of Sansa as well. Shae feels not only neglected but also insecure right now. She knows that Sansa is still a female—a young, beautiful woman—and there is lot of pressure on both of them to have children. And now it』s Sansa instead of herself that became the wife of her love, Tyrion. I think every single woman in the world would be jealous in that kind of situation. All her hope to start a safe family life was just destroyed from one day to another.

問:為何雪伊突然開始嫉妒Sansa?

答:提利昂對Sansa的行為是讓她有些嫉妒。與此同時,她認識到,他既愛Sansa也保護sansa。雪伊那時覺得不僅被忽視,而且沒有安全感。她知道Sansa是一個年輕,美麗的女子,而且兩人被迫要孩子。現在是Sansa,而不是雪伊自己,成為提利昂愛的妻子。我覺得遇到這種情況世界上每個女人都會吃醋。(畢竟)她所有的希望就是有一個安全的家庭生活,但是毀了。


Tyrion』s rejection of Shae was VERY harsh. Why do you think it was so harsh?


As I said before, he just tried to protect Shae. He knows about Cersei"s plan that she wants to hurt him badly at the next opportunity and so does his father. So he knows that he has to do everything in his power to make it clear to Shae that she really is in danger. Yet she never wanted to listen. So for Tyrion, the only way to make that happen was to make her disappear.

問:提利昂對雪伊的拒絕是非常傷人心的。為什麼你認為它是如此令(雪伊)傷心?

答:正如我之前所說的,他只是試圖保護雪伊。他知道瑟曦一直計劃著狠狠地傷害他,他爸也是。所以他知道他必須用他所有的能力去使雪伊清楚她真的處於危險之中。然而,雪伊總是不聽這些。因此提利昂唯一方法就是讓她離開君臨。

綜上所述,雪伊和小惡魔真心相愛後,她不為錢不為權。他們的矛盾在於小惡魔要留在君臨,而雪伊希望和愛人遠走高飛。然後小惡魔放狠話狠狠地傷了雪伊的心,雪伊要報復他。


想起《悟空傳》裡面紫霞對孫悟空說的那句話了,「你是孫悟空,妖王孫悟空」「我是神仙,我們是不一樣的」............
奈何深陷愛河的人都是沒有智商的啊....


原書里雪伊純愛錢,從未愛過,真愛過提利昂的是之前死掉的一個女的(提利昂以為是妓女但其實是兩情相悅被泰溫拆散慘死,提利昂臨行從哥哥那知曉真相又看到雪伊在泰溫床上才仇殺父親)。電視劇審批之前雪伊顯然愛過提利昂,後面不管是智商下線報復說還是收買說還是為愛妥協演戲說都矛盾,單純是編劇改編失敗銜接不了。
之前也糾結了一會,這類自相矛盾不能忍,太破壞真實感,一旦有種明顯的編劇想反轉就反轉想怎麼捏人物形象就怎麼捏的感覺,就覺得簡直要棄劇。


個人覺得應該是小惡魔的父親欺騙了雪伊,雪伊所做的一切都是為了小惡魔,即使是背叛了他,也是小惡魔的父親欺騙了雪伊。而小惡魔為了讓她離開,所做的一切絕情的事都是為了保護雪伊。


我不同意真愛的說法。
最後提利昂在他父親的床上發現雪伊,雪伊看到提利昂第一反應拿起了刀,解釋提利昂提出比武審判她驚慌失措的鏡頭,她怕提利昂報復。
不要相信妓女的愛,她們什麼都賣。
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波隆並沒有背叛,他一直也都在說他一直都是在為利益做事。
沒有背叛初衷。信任忠誠很多時候是一廂情願。


我覺得 是的
雪伊曾經愛過小惡魔 她放棄了一次次可以離開君臨 得到財富的機會 只是為了能守在他身邊 可愛情中只有一個人付出是沒有用的 局外人可以看清小惡魔是為了她的安全 才疏遠 趕走她 可愛情中的女人總是傻的 她怪他不肯與她天涯海角 小惡魔又註定不是只要美人不要江山的人 明明相愛的兩個人 一個徹底死心(雪伊)一個徹底讓自己死心(殺死雪伊)
雪伊愛過 但後來不愛了 證據如下

審判時的冷漠 在泰溫床上的溫情 足以證明她背叛了小惡魔
小惡魔看到她時 她的第一反應

這是女人看曾經愛過的人的眼神 然後 抄起桌上的水果刀

面目猙獰一心只想殺死小惡魔

個人看法 不喜勿噴


是的。
冰與火之歌的wiki明確表示。

在提利昂接受審判的過程中,雪伊背叛了他,謊稱他和珊莎曾一起密謀想要殺死喬佛里國王與泰溫大人。她在眾人面前訴說了她與提利昂親密關係的細節,甚至包括她對他的愛稱——「我的蘭尼斯特巨人」。為了這份供詞,瑟曦·蘭尼斯特許諾給她一間在君臨的宅子以及和一位騎士的聯姻。

多看看wiki很難嗎?


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