為什麼《霍比特人》系列電影裡面女性角色的出現很少?
為什麼《霍比特人》系列電影裡面女性角色的出現很少?譬如女矮人女精靈女獸人等等
向原作者Ara Ogle致敬:
Are there no female characters at all in The Hobbit?
有的知友反映Quora鏈接打不開,那我就把原文放上來吧。英語原文在最後。
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- 全書中沒有任何女性角色
- 全書中只出現了一個有名字的女性,貝爾多娜·圖克——比爾博·巴金斯的母親。但是她在故事開始之前就去世了
- "girl"一詞在書中只出現了一次
- 「woman/women"出現了兩次
- "she"出現了一詞,還是和比爾博他母親一起出現的
- 電影中共出現了兩個女性角色——密林衛隊長塔瑞爾和羅瑞安夫人凱蘭崔爾,其中塔瑞爾是導演硬加進去的,凱蘭崔爾則是從魔戒中借來的角色
相比之下,《魔戒三部曲》中雖然女性角色不多、塑造也不夠豐滿,但出現頻率明顯高了一個檔次,而且像精靈公主亞玟、羅瑞安夫人凱蘭崔爾、洛汗王女伊歐紋也是性格各異、形象鮮明。
那麼問題來了,為何在《霍比特人》中女性那麼不受待見呢?
很大程度上這要歸因於比爾博·巴金斯的角色塑造。我們來看看比爾博是怎麼樣一個人:- 終身未婚,所以要收養侄子弗羅多作為繼承人
- 很內向,害怕和陌生人說話,也不喜歡呆在人多的地方
結論:《霍比特人》中沒有女性角色是因為比爾博無視了她們。《霍比特人》大部分時候都是通過比爾博的角度來看中土世界的,而書中為數不多的幾次"women","girl"的出現都是作者用上帝視角在進行描寫。作為一個極其內向不敢與陌生人說話的霍比特人,比爾博把姑娘們視為一種無法理解的生物而敬而遠之,我們當然也無法通過他的視角看到有關中土女性的故事。就算是比爾博真的在冒險途中遇到了塔瑞爾這樣勇敢美麗的女精靈,他大概也會視而不見的吧。
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Are there no female characters at all in The Hobbit?
As far as I can recall, there is nothing except a brief mention of Bilbo"s mother and her sisters. She is long dead when the book starts, so she does not count.
Nothing at all after that - there must have been female elves in Rivendell and the woodland kingdom, but I think they play no part. And right at the end, it is mentioned that Thorin was the elder brother of the (unnamed) mother of Fili and Kili.
There may have been females among the eagles or spiders, or even the whargs, but again not mentioned. (The only eagles identified by gender are male, while any individual spider is called "it".)
Jackson has corrected this a little, with Bilbo"s mother shown with Bilbo as an infant in the Extended Edition. Galadriel at Rivendell, as well as elf-maids in the background. And more to come in Desolation of Smaug, it seems.
Ara Ogle, am a woman
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There are not. And I would go further and say that this seems to me to be an extremely deliberate action on Tolkien"s part. While it makes sense that there would be no main female characters (given that all the main characters are essentially part of a military party and the author had no basis for women being members of a military), there aren"t just no female characters, there are scarcely any women seen at all in The Hobbit. No elf-maids in Rivendell or Mirkwood. No women in the week they spend being feted in Lake Town. In the destruction of Lake-Town we get two sentences; "Women and children were being huddled into laden boats in the market-pool." and another essentially identical sentence, which insults the Master of Lake Town by listing him as the only able-bodied man to flee with the women. In Bilbo"s return, we hear of his cousins "the Sackville-Bagginses" but it is not made clear that they are a married couple and thus include a woman; we know this only because Lobelia is shown as a character in LoTR.
Just to be clear on how much women are missing in this novel,
- There are no female characters, named or unnamed (someone who is dead being mentioned in passing is not a "character").
- There is exactly one named woman in any conversation at any point, Belladonna Took (Bilbo"s mother).
- The word "girl" is used once in the novel. ("[Gandalf] had been away over The Hill and across The Water on business of his own since they were all small hobbit-boys and hobbit-girls.")
- The word woman/women is used twice in the novel (in the sentences mentioned above regarding Bilbo"s mother).
- The word "she" is used only once in the novel (in reference to Belladonna Took)
The big question is, "why"? There are many females mentioned in TheLord of the Rings, even if most of them have very small parts. There are a number of women invited to Bilbo"s party. Lobelia Sackville-Baggins torments Frodo. The wife of the mushroom-farmer is mentioned. Goldberry, Arwen, Galadriel, Eowen, Ioreth, and Shelob all play minor parts with agency. Deceased or mythical characters like Finduilas of Dol Amroth, Luthien Tinuviel, Nimrodel, and Elbereth Githoniel are referenced, and women in Minas Tirith and Rohan are shown, etc. etc. It is clear that not mentioning/including women at all is not a common trait in Tolkien"s writing; why, then, is it so strong an element ofThe Hobbit?
It has always seemed to me that the lack of women in the Hobbit has something to do with Bilbo"s character. While there are a few cases of author omniscience in The Hobbit, it is mostly viewed from Bilbo"s point of view. It"s worth noting that the few times we do get even a tiny mention of women (Hobbit-girls, Bilbo"s mother, and the sentences from Lake Town quoted above) are all three instances of author omniscience rather than viewed from Bilbo.
And who is Bilbo? He is a lifelong bachelor. He"s introverted; he seems to feel most comfortable in his own company or the company of very close friends. He"s pretty shy. He doesn"t like catching people"s attention (he becomes the bearer of a ring that grants him invisibility!) and when he has to talk to people he doesn"t know, frequently stutters or appears uncomfortable.
Therefore, my theory is that we don"t see women in The Hobbit—even to the limited extent we see them in the main trilogy—because Bilbo doesn"t see them. Bilbo doesn"t see people as individuals until he gets to know them, but rather only as scary crowds that he prefers to stay far away from, and Bilbo actively avoids getting to know women, because he"s afraid of them as an "unknown".男的都比女的美,還要女的幹嘛啊
仔細想想比爾博都沒跟桃子說過話……
女矮人是有的,而且和男矮人一樣也長鬍子也上戰場作戰,所以傻傻分不清楚。
女獸人真的沒有。
因為缺少一個唐僧吧……
題主你錯了,精靈軍隊明顯是男女混編,
至少就霍比特人電影來說是這樣,也就是說女精靈明顯佔到一定比例(具體多少不好說但肯定不低,直觀上都能看出來),
只能說主角和重要配角中的女性角色很少,或者可以說沒有女主角。
至於魔戒電影記憶比較模糊了,但應該也是男女混合?
精靈可以說是中土世界性別最為平等也是最先進最開化的一個種族,同時是一個具有前瞻性的種族,因為它也是現實世界中人類未來發展的趨勢,可見托爾金不僅具有超強預見力洞察力,而且整體意識形態也很超前,
不過,從書中女性整體表現來看,他到底有沒有性別歧視這個還是不好說,至少霍比特人的原著比電影版的性別歧視更嚴重,但考慮到他所處的時代,這個還是不能全怪他的。
至於對魔戒的印象就真的太模糊了,無論小說還是電影都是小時候看的,長大後也沒翻出來重看就不亂評價了。
精靈寶鑽沒看過,托爾金其它相關書籍也沒看過,所以無法徹底而準確的評判精靈的性別問題,但精靈是當時(書中年代)所有種族中性別最平等的基本無誤。
還可參考魔獸的暗夜精靈
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由於沒看過精靈寶鑽還是要提問的:
不知道是我眼拙還是說精靈部隊確實是男女混合?請問精靈寶鑽中是怎樣的?
@公子小白 @陳宇帆Morgan
男精靈都美的不行不行的 要女的幹嘛 流行搞基
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