如何評價紀錄片《印度的女兒》?
2012年12月16日,印度女醫學實習生喬蒂·辛格·潘迪於當晚八點三十分誤上了一輛不在當班的公交車,之後在車上被六名男乘客用鐵棒毆打併輪姦,腹部、腸子、生殖器受鐵棒攻擊均遭嚴重創傷,後被拋棄於荒地。12月29日,喬蒂因搶救無效死亡,從事發到死亡歷時13天。喬蒂也一直被外界稱為「印度的女兒」。BBC以此事為題拍攝紀錄片《印度的女兒》,該片本擬在2015年3月8日上映。令人意想不到的是,印度當局日前以內容敏感、容易造成騷亂為由,禁止該片在印度播出,引發爭議。
【紀錄片】印度的女兒 India"s Daughter 2014【大家字幕組】
類似的問題在Quora上也吵成一片了。看到Quora上現在排名第一的試圖正當化印度政府對此片禁播的回答被轉到了知乎(如何評價紀錄片《印度的女兒》),我這裡貼一篇反駁和對印度性侵犯和婦女權益現狀的科普。其中有一些反方的觀點很有代表性(包括一些帶有民族主義情緒的),而對這些觀點的反駁也很有借鑒意義。沒時間翻譯,只在文中很簡略地把各個部分的內容用中文概括了一下,大家將就著看一下吧。更新:部分內容已由 @時川和@慢慢 翻譯, @彭越 的翻譯也在她的回答里,非常感謝。
Answer to India"s Daughter (2015 movie): Why are some Indians so furious about the BBC documentary "India"s Daughter"? Why did the government of India ban this documentary film?
Akash Selvaraj, Schrodinger"s Curious Cat
I am furious with the banning of the documentary, not the documentary itself. The government has made a counter productive and short-sighted move which would only serve to further tarnish our image in the world.
Courtesy: The Hindu.
Long Version:
Judging by the top answers which are quoting statistics out of context and miss the point by asking for documentaries on "UK"s" and "USA"s" daughter, I believe this question warrants the same answer as I gave in "Why are there so many rapes in India" almost half a year ago, let me repost that here:
It is because we refuse to admit it when there is one! The top answer goes on a long diatribe trying to "prove" the point by comparing it with a country with an even more number of rapes - just great! It refuses to even acknowledge that a vast majority of rapes go unreported in our country.
關於兒童性侵犯,可能高達51%:
The 『Study on Child Abuse India 2007』 revealed that more than 51% of children in India have probably been sexually abused and many have never shared the fact of this abuse with anyone. It is estimated that 150 million girls and 73 million boys under 18 have been subjected to forced sexual intercourse or other forms of sexual violence.
Can you even begin to understand how high those numbers are? Thats a total of 223 million, to put this in perspective, UK has a population of 63 million and the US around 300 million. And this is only counting child sexual abuse!! Hey, maybe that"s a fabrication by "western people" to "spoil our image"? Oh it was conducted by the Ministry of Women and Child Development (MWCD) in India? Never mind: out of sight, out of mind, right?
關於極低的報案率,只有5.8%受害者報案,如果是被丈夫強姦,報案率只有0.6%:
The fact is "MORE than 99.4% of the rapes do go unreported in India".
「So, you got raped by your uncle? I』ll just ask him to pay for the abortion if you get pregnant and you can go back to work tomorrow. We haven』t eaten rice in three days.」
That was a response Promila got from her mother when she walked up to her one morning and told her she was raped and impregnated.
「We don』t complain against our uncles. They』re family and it』s against the rules,」 said Promila when I asked her why she wasn』t seeking legal help.
She left me thinking. In a country as culturally and ethnically rich as India, we』re asked to abide by cultural norms or 「rules」 as we call them. Does that mean an uncle isn』t a rapist? Does that excuse you from the truth that you』ve been raped? Absolutely not.
Promila resumed her work the next morning. She washed clothes and she ran daily chores at my neighbor』s house. I watched her turn into a recluse who never spoke to anyone.
I called the police station one morning.
「We have no records for anyone under that name, Ma』am,」 the officer told me over the phone. 「No one exists by the name of Promila Das.」
How can you say you』ve been raped when you don』t even exist?
感謝 @時川的翻譯:
2007年的「印度兒童被虐待情況調查」顯示超過51%的印度兒童可能遭受過性侵犯並且許多孩子對此三緘其口』從此估算,在印度的18歲以下未成年群體中有1億5千萬女童和七千三百萬男童(我真心以為我看錯了····check 了三遍···)是性侵犯,虐待的受害者。
你知道這是一個多麼恐怖的數字嗎?加起來有兩億兩千兩百萬的兒童,想像一下,英國的人口總數是六千三百萬,美國大概是三億,而且這只是受性侵兒童的數字。你可能會認為這個數字是那些「西方人」捏造出來用來抹黑印度形象的吧?不好意思,這是我們自己國家的婦女兒童發展部做出的計算。但這都不重要,閉上眼睛,問題就不存在了,對吧。
事實是,在印度,「大於99.4%的強姦不為人所知」。
「叔叔強姦了你?如果你懷孕了,我會讓他支付墮胎的費用的。明天接著去幹活吧,我們已經三天沒有米下鍋了。」——這是當promila在一個早晨告訴她母親她被強姦並因此懷孕之後她母親的回答。
」我們不能指控我們自己的親叔叔。他是家中的一份子,這是不合規矩的。「當我問promila為什麼不去尋求法律援助時她的回答。我不得不思考:在像印度一樣有著悠久文化和道德傳統的國家,我們被要求遵循文化傳統和規則行事。但這能抹去你被強姦的事實嗎?不能。
promila在第二天早上回來工作了。她洗衣和為我的鄰居做家務,我看著她日漸自我封閉,沉默寡言。有天早上我打電話到警察局,警察告訴我「夫人,我們沒有關於這個名字的記錄,沒有叫promila das這個名字的人。」
如果你甚至都不存在,你要怎麼去報案說你被強姦了呢。
瑞典、芬蘭、美國的強姦率高於印度?因為不同國家對強姦的定義相差很大,在一些國家,只要女性不同意就算強姦,而在印度,很可能只要女性沒有拚死反抗或被嚴重傷害就不算強姦:
Oh look at Sweden, USA and Finland! They look much worse than India, they say! It"s because the "definition" of rape varies widely from country to country. In Sweden, what matters is only that a women said "no", she might have given him a strip tease, a BJ and rubbed her naked groin against you, but if she says no and you proceed to do the deed - rape conviction. This is very similar to the crime rate in Kerala, which is one of the highest but which is also one of the safest and most literate places in India. This is mostly due to efficient policing resulting in greater number of people trusting the police enough to report any crimes. In some places in the UP, you might be raped in the police station itself:
UP: 2 cops rape minor at police station, suspended
Indian woman "gang-raped" at police station
另外,在印度婚內強姦是不被認為是犯罪的,將近四分之一印度女性遭遇婚內性侵犯/性暴力:
Meanwhile in India, marital rape is not even considered as a crime! This places India in the company of a handful of reputable countries including China, Afghanistan, Pakistan and Saudi Arabia. Do you think even if we change the law- any Indian women would dare to complain if her husband rapes her everyday?
In fact the issue of "marital rape" was brought in front of our esteemed law-makers, who rejected it in a report which argued:
it 「has the potential of destroying the institution of marriage,」
「If marital rape is brought under the law, the entire family system will be under great stress,」 adds the report.
Why India Allows Men to Rape Their Wives - India Real Time - WSJ
"A new study has revealed 26 per cent of women in Pune, 23 per cent in Bhubaneswar and 16 per cent in Jaipur often have sex with husbands
against their desire."
That"s almost one in four married women being raped by their own husbands often - in cities, imagine the villages!
Marital rape is an ugly reality
Yes, we will never acknowledge it as rape, since rape is such an integral part of marriage right? Does it make any sense to compare statistics when the definitions are so different? I don"t think so!
So just because it was on the news for a few days our mindset and culture has changed- everyone is taking it seriously now? Say that to the people of this village: Village defends Bengal gang-rape accused - The Times of India
Rape will be a problem and will remain a problem as long as we try to cover it up. Are girls any safer on our streets now? Does your sister, mother or daughter feel comfortable going out at night wearing whatever she likes? Have you been abroad? Have you ever felt how different you feel when walk with/as a girl outside India? We are nowhere close to that standard when it comes to safety for women.
If food is rotten in your house, will you just cover it up, spray some perfume and proclaim everything is good? Of course not. Let"s acknowledge the problem and throw it out instead of blaming the "Western Media" of "fabricating a rape-crisis"!
感謝 @時川的翻譯:
其實早已有人向我們可敬的立法者提出過立法禁止婚內強姦這一問題,但是被他們拒絕了,在一份報告中,他們是這麼辯解的:「這麼做有可能會破壞我們的婚姻制度」,「對婚內強姦進行立法,將會給我們的整個家庭構成帶來巨大壓力」。
有接近四分之一的已婚女性經常被她們自己的丈夫強姦,這還只是在城市,想想農村會是什麼樣的情況吧。
當然,既然(婚內)強姦本身就是婚姻的一部分,我們永遠不會承認(婚內強姦)是強姦,不是嗎?當我們對於強姦的定義與其他國家對於強姦的定義有如此巨大的差別時,進行數據上的對比還有意義嗎?
因為強姦問題在這段時間被頻繁報道,我們』強姦問題』看法和文化就改變了嗎,每一個人都認真面對這個問題了嗎?
只要我們還在試圖掩蓋強姦這一問題,它就還會持久的存在與我們的社會之中。女孩們覺得現在走在街上比以前更安全了嗎?你的姐妹,母親和女兒覺得她們能放心的穿著她們想穿的衣物在晚上出門嗎?你出過國嗎?你曾經感受過在國外和女孩子走在街上或作為女孩走在街上時與在印度國內時的感受的巨大差距嗎?在婦女安全這一問題上,我們與標準實在是相差甚遠。
如果你家裡有食物腐爛了,你會把它藏起來,撒些香水,假裝一切安好嗎?當然不。同樣的,我們必須認識到這一問題的存在並且消滅它,而不是指責「西方媒體」在「捏造所謂的強姦危機。」
PS: I agree that the problem of "shaming and projecting a bad image" is also quite real, but it is much smaller compared to the REAL issue at hand. It"s like my child is very sick and needs me, and I am outside fighting the kids who are teasing him about his sickness.
感謝 @時川的翻譯:
我同意這部片子確實存「抹黑印度形象」的問題,但是較之目前真正亟需解決的大問題,這真的只是個小瑕疵。(禁播)就好像當我的孩子病的奄奄一息時,我卻在外面與那些嘲笑我的孩子的孩子爭吵一般,(因小失大)。
PPS: Is someone here actually claiming that pornography causes rape?! Yeah lets repress our sexuality even more- that"s going to work right?
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Whew! This answer is already way too long and so I end it here. Whats below is only a few of my selected responses to particularly vehement comments against it.
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對一些評論的回應:
Addendum 1:
繼續回應「印度和歐美的現狀其實沒差多少」的觀點:
Excerpt from the comments:
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"It is because we refuse to believe there is a problem"?
What were the protests in Delhi about with tens of thousands of men and women? What was the lynching in Nagaland about? Do you see major protests in the US that reports ~100,000 rapes a year or in the UK?
While it is true that majority of rapes go unreported in India and say we go with your out of the hat number of 90%, do you realize that we still fare better than the rape capitals of the world? So you will have to suitably change this number to show we are worse off. But another number you cannot change is the percentage of convictions - that is a matter of public record.&>&>
I"m not taking the opposition to this documentary as support or the rapists.
The problem is that some Indians think that the state of women in the US or the UK is the same as that of India. They probably watched that stupid video of a woman getting catcalled in Harlem or were convinced by "out-of-context" statistics. This idea though is just laughable. If people in any developed nation made statements like the lawyers or MLA"s did, they would be handing their resignation letter the very next day. If any person, let alone a lawyer said that he would burn your daughter for pre-marital sex- he would be jailed in any other developed country.
感謝@慢慢的翻譯:
有人這麼回復我:
「攻擊這部紀錄片,並不等於對強姦犯、甚至強姦有理鼓吹分子無動於衷,你為何要混淆這兩個概念?沒人說強姦在我國不是社會問題,在別的國家或多或少也是啊。但問題不會被一部紀錄片就解決了,尤其是一部謊話滿篇的東西,其目的不過是以一起令人髮指的姦殺案來吸引眼球,來賺錢而已,且無視了我國的公序良俗。」
「是因為我們不願承認現實」?
德里成百上千男女們的示威遊行怎麼說?那加蘭邦的私行事件怎麼說?你是沒見過美國人遊行么?據報道,英國一年十萬件強姦案又怎麼說?
儘管大部分強姦在印度並非會被記錄在案,就算頂破天這比例有90%吧,我們仍比世界上那些個強姦之都要好太多了吧?所以你非得編個數好讓我們看起來糟糕。可有個數據你可編不來,定罪率——這可是公開有據可查的哦。
我的回應:
我並沒有說攻擊紀錄片的人,就是強姦犯的幫凶。問題在於,有些印度人覺得,在英美和在印度,女性的生活狀態並無差別。這些人八成看過那種紐約Harlem女人被人吹口哨的視頻,或是對無關聯的統計數據(譯者:指上文定罪率)深信不疑。這真叫人笑掉大牙。要是有哪個發達國家的律師或立法議員,膽敢說出片子里那種話,第二天就等著打辭呈了好嗎。任何人,不用說是律師,敢說他要燒死你婚前同居的女兒——在發達國家,他就得進班房了。
But since those videos seem to be so convincing for many, let me play the same game:
Note: This video is just for illustrative purposes only, imagine that creepy staring happening to you every day of your life (I understand that people calling her into shops are just doing so because she looks like she has money and might give them business, but still there are a lot of instances of the infamous "creepy stare").
This woman walks without pants in NYC and people barely notice.
I feel bad for playing down at this level (using edited videos instead of strong statistics and reasoning) but it seems to get the point across for a lot of folks.
Anyone who is well traveled would find this obvious. Just because a few thousand people protested right after the day of the rape doesn"t mean the mind set of the country has changed. The lynching in Nagaland believe it or not is part of the problem not the solution.
I can"t speak for the US but I have lived in the UK and we have made a very bad name for ourselves there. Many sex-deprived Indian and South Asian men don"t know how to behave civilly or decently around women and often give of a creepy or rapey vibe. These are all first hand experiences and I was disgusted to see us being represented this way:
- Indian men in clubs often stand in groups in a corner without dancing and with drinks in hand, creepily leer at girls dancing on the floor.
- They creepily leer and try to take not-so-discreet photographs of Caucasian women sunbathing on beaches.
- They grope women in extremely crowded places such as the Metro, Club or a concert.
- They randomly propose to have sex with Caucasian girls they barely know just because she happened to smile at him.
Most people there would not have a clue about Indians or Indian men (esp. before the recent rape cases) but a few pig-headed men tarnish all of our images.
感謝@慢慢的翻譯:
既然那段視頻好像讓大家有想法,那我來講講:
這視頻只是舉個例子,可假如你每天都被這樣色眯眯盯著(有人叫她進店裡是因為她看上去怪有錢的,能給他們帶來生意,這我知道,但周圍還是有不少那種臭名遠揚的色眯眯眼神)。
要知道,這位女士就算光屁股走在紐約街頭,都未必有人多看她一眼的。
非要我用這麼low的方法討論,我也很無奈(用這種編輯過的視頻舉例,而不是實打實的數據來理論)但大部分人就是吃這套。經常旅遊的人覺得這很明顯。強姦案發生的第二天,就那麼幾千人上街游個行不能說明這個國家根深蒂固的理念有什麼變化。那加蘭邦的人(對強姦犯)動了私刑,這反倒說明了問題,而非解決問題。
因為我在英國生活,美國那邊不知道,但在英國這裡,我們的名聲可是臭的可以了。許多饑渴的南亞男人根本不懂什麼叫教養,也不懂什麼叫尊重女士,散發著那種色眯眯的,欲圖不軌的氣場。以下是我的一手體驗,也是本人最厭惡的幾種舉止:
印度男人喜歡在舞場扎堆,不跳舞,手裡紛紛拿著酒,毫不掩飾地垂涎舞池裡的女孩。色眯眯地盯著海灘上日光浴的白人妞,並偷拍,基本算明拍。在擁擠的地方,地鐵,舞場,演唱會,吃女人的豆腐。連認識都算不上,就立馬求歡,只因為人家白人姑娘對他一笑。
英國人本對印度人及印度男人根本沒啥印象(尤其是在這件姦殺案之前),只是一小撮猥瑣份子毀了大家的形象。
Note that we made this stereotype for ourselves much before the Nirbhaya rape case.
Gangs of South Asian men groom school girls as young as 12 for sex and rape them.
Police in swoop on 45 more men over child sex grooming
As recently as yesterday, an Indian brazenly raped a women in a bus stop at Leeds.
Teenager raped as she waited on main road for a bus into city centre
Go ahead and read the comments on the article. Immigrants make up only around 10% of the population but make up 20% of murder and sex offenders.In places like London almost a third of all rapes are performed by immigrants. Note that this doesn"t include naturalized citizens or British nationals of foreign origin.
One in five murder and rape suspects are foreign nationals, figures show
If ever there was a protest in the UK about rapes, In the current political climate, it would be a mass deportation of all new immigrants. If the same thing happened in India, wherein say hypothetically immigrants from Nigeria or Bangladesh were responsible for a disproportionate amount of rapes, it would probably be a mass lynching. My point being, please don"t make unnecessary comparisons with the UK or the US, it only hurts our cause.
感謝@慢慢的翻譯:
重要的是,早在Nirbhaya強姦案之前,我們的形象早就定格了:某南亞國家黑社會誘姦(英國)女學生,最幼12歲;警察端掉45人誘拐強姦幼女團伙;就在昨天,Leeds有個印度男人光天化日在巴士強姦女性;未成年女孩等公交時被強姦;你們去看看下面那些評論。在英國,占人口10%的外來人口,犯下了20%的謀殺和性犯罪。在倫敦這樣的地方,幾乎三分之一的強姦案都是外來人口犯下的。注意這數據不包括入籍和外族後裔。數據顯示,五分之一的兇殺和強姦是外來人口作案。假如英國真來一場討伐強姦的示威活動,以目前的政治氛圍,新移民都得被趕回老家。假如同意的事情發生在印度,比方說,N邦和B邦人犯下了高比例的強姦案,能發生的只會是動輒大面積的私刑。我的意思是,別無聊到跟英美比較,這屬於自扇耳光。
75%強姦案發生在農村,而農村地區情況可能更加惡劣。女性更加不敢報案或發聲,因為「恥辱」、「家族榮譽」、「處女情結」等。
The statistics say that the number of unreported cases are 99.6% and the truth might be even higher. 75% of rapes takes place in rural areas and rural women do not report rapes due to shame, "honor" and the value of virginity placed in marriage.
India?s Rape Culture: Urban versus Rural
50% of children are sexually abused and around 25% of women are raped within the marriage. Can you even imagine what would happen to our rape statistics if the definition of "rape" was changed to match Western standards? You would be start seeing statistics in 8 digits (ie. more than the population of many of the countries mentioned).
感謝@慢慢的翻譯:
數據顯示,99.6%的強姦沒有報案,而實際可能更高。75%的強姦發生在農村,農村女性根本不會報案,因為恥辱、所謂的清白、以及婚前處女身份。50%的兒童遭受過性虐,25%的女性經受過婚內強姦。假如嚴格按西方標準界定『強姦』,你們能否想像我們會有怎樣的數字?很可能會看到千萬級別的數字(所有,會比之前提到的國家人口之和還多)。總之,別對著數據瞎吵吵了,也別比來比去折騰出個好看數字,就彈冠相慶了。問題就是問題,當務之急乃是態度端正地正視。
In conclusion, let us not dispute statistics or try to give ourselves a pat on the back by playing with statistics or by making meaningless comparisons. Whether we like it or not we have a major problem and the only fix is to change our attitude and mind-set.
Rape culture is sick. And in the end, I』m a strong believer in the phrase 「sunlight is the best disinfectant.」 Anyone who shines a light on illness in my society is doing me a favor, our history with colonialism be damned. I don』t care who starts that conversation as long as I add my voice to it. And I』m not so insecure about 「the white woman」 to believe that her voice outweighs mine.
感謝@慢慢的翻譯:
「強姦文化令人髮指。我一直相信『陽光是最好的殺菌』。如能令我族之病症曝於光下,不管是誰,皆算助我。只要我同意我才不管誰說了那話,別提殖民之痛什麼的。我才不會因為沒用安全感,而不敢去和『白種女人』比,她們不見得比我們精貴。」(我猜這段引述原文下某印度妹子的評論)
Addendum 2:
I honestly have nothing else to say about this topic other than what I have below and am going to stop replying to further comments.
Excerpt from the comments:
Guys like you were the real reason India was colonised by the British. If women are unsafe in our country, we make it safe. Not draw the whole world"s gaze on us and ridicule ourselves. Have you thought about the impact this documentary will have on tourisim, education (already started), buissiness in addition to projecting India as a disgusting country? What do you make out of Africa from hollywood movies? Same logic goes here.
This is what they exactly want.
Next time you raise your voice supporting the documentary thinking that they did some great service, remember that you are a fool playing into the hands of some Europeans doning the mask of a saviour who have a clear racial agenda in mind.
這條評論翻譯得中國特色一點基本就是說:印度就是因為有你這種崇洋媚外的賣國賊當初才會被英國殖民的,我們不需要外國干涉,這些都是西方媒體的宣傳戰。
下面是答主的回應:
We had a bad rep much before the documentary and the rape cases. Perhaps some people (I shall refer to them as the Orthodoxy from here on) haven"t been out of the country a lot so you are hearing about it only now through local and social media.
Don"t quote me the racist professor from Germany, it is a well known fact that Foreign professors are more likely to reject Indian or Chinese male students unless they are truly extraordinary or bring in cash by funding themselves (though they won"t be so silly as to state that explicitly). However this is mainly due to concerns with cheating,plagiarism and the poor quality of under-graduate education in India rather than the rape mentality.
Karan, is a recent international graduate of U of T』s and admits he was let off with a warning over plagiarism after copying text from lecture slides word-for-word in a paper. In India, he had relied on reproducing the words of his teachers and rote learning , and was taken aback by the emphasis placed on critical analysis and proper citation of sources in Canada.
「Basically [the professor]said I didn』t cite at all,」 said Karan. 「Back home, we listen to our teachers, and basically mug everything they say. The more you write your answers exactly the way they say it, the better chance you have of getting an A.」
Why many international students get a failing grade in academic integrity
What do you mean projecting India as a disgusting country? No film maker or news channel has the responsibility to white-wash India for you, that is the job of the community. I have been to many places around the world and the fact is that India is quite filthy, with poorly maintained services and poorer civic sense and I do my part to help instead of being all whiny and butt-hurt through social organizations such as the NSS or Ugly-Indian type spot fixes. Most folks sadly just tend to watch or take photos when we clean rubbish or do spot-fixes; such folks perhaps later go on the Internet and ask why India is projected as a dirty place.
It was interesting to also see the reactions of passers by. While one guy commented, 「People these days do anything to be on TV,」 another kinder-hearted person, said 「You guys are doing a great job!」 Other people wanted to know just what on earth is going on.
Helping fellow Ugly Indians
Let me narrate yet another small incident: When I first went to the UK about 3 years back, and introduced myself from India a colleague of mine asked me whereabouts from. He informed me that his wife had visited before and so he knew a bit about the country. I was all smiles and asked him if she enjoyed the trip and the culture but you know what he said?
"Yes, mostly, but I was too freaked out as she kept telling me that the men were too creepy, they kept staring and some tried to follow her".
I replied it must be so because she must have visited poorer illiterate states such as U.P, Bihar etc but she would have had a much better time in metro cities such Chennai or B"lore. He then dropped the bombshell, all that had happened in Tamil Nadu (Chennai)! I thought such incidents rarely if ever happened there and so was blinded to this reality myself!
Chennai: Men stare, stalk undercover reporter in jeans in broad daylight
Yet despite everything, India still managed to charm his wife and she was planning to visit there again on their summer vacation (but this time with him). What is amazing is that India shouldn"t need your whitewashing to pull in tourists- that is no different from pulling a con, very rarely do the people who actually visit India leave without making plans to return in the future (though they would be better prepared next time).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WmxBkQoC5XQ
We make our country safe for women by addressing the problem (I feel like a parrot now!), one must be very naive to think that banning the documentary would serve any purpose other than increasing its fame and notoriety. I wanted to watch the documentary because I wanted to understand the mindset of the rapists (I wished the trial was recorded and made public after the sentencing) and what the parents had to say but apparently no Indian news channel had the balls to do it before the BBC so I salute them for that. I didn"t really care about the social commentary given by the Oxford prof. but I was shocked by the filth spouted by the lawyers (I initially thought that they took the case only because someone had to, to try them in a court of law).
感謝 @時川的翻譯:
通過曝光這問題,我們能使我們的國家成為一個讓女性感到安全的地方。人們得有多天真才會認為認為禁播這部紀錄片能帶來讓這部片子更加出名之外的任何好處?我想看它因為我想知道這些強姦犯們到底是怎麼想的(我曾希望他們能拍攝審判過程並在宣判之後播放)和他們的父母對此的看法。但是,很明顯在BBC這麼做之前,沒有任何印度媒體有勇氣做這件事,因此我在此向BBC致敬。我不在意哪位牛津教授的評論,但我被那兩位律師的污言穢語所震驚。(我曾以為他們之所以擔任辯護人是為了因為為了審判必須有人這麼做)。
I am an ardent believer of freedom of expression and freedom of information, I don"t think being butt-hurt about the truth would do anything but invite more ridicule and shame.
Learn to loose the Us Vs Them mentality.
"The World is my country, all mankind are my brethren, and to do good is my religion."
- Thomas Paine
Like it or not, many of our social reforms came about through collaboration with liberal Indians and good-willed "angrezis". Lets see what some of these "racists" had to say and how the Orthodox community reacted:
Henry Vivian Derozio (India"s first nationlisitic poet ard. 1818, founder of the Young Bengal Movement and catalyst for the Bengal Renaissance), He was an atheist who criticized Hindu practices, the British rule and encouraged women emancipation.
"My Country! In the days of Glory Past
A beauteous halo circled round thy brow
And worshiped as deity thou wast,
Where is that Glory, where is that reverence now?
Thy eagle pinion is chained down at last,
And groveling in the lowly dust art thou,
Thy minstrel hath no wreath to weave for thee,
save the sad story of thy misery."
Some Orthodox people then expelled him for "having materially injured student"s Morals and destroying their character and peace in society".
John Elliot Drinkwater Bethune (pioneer in promoting women"s education and started the first Girls school- Behune School in India and donated all his assets to it).
He received widespread backlash from the orthodox society who believed that a literate wife would lose her husband sooner than an illiterate one. People swore at the carriages carrying the girls going to the school and used to say "Whatever was left of the Kali Yuga has come! Once the girls get hold of the books nothing will be left."
Read more at:Akash Selvaraj"s answer to Who are some of the notable British people who have contributed greatly to the development of India and the Indian Society?
This cycle has been going around for over 200 years in India. Orthodoxy is orthodoxy, they will find every way to stall progress and the most effective tactic seems they fall on seems to be to divert attention away from the issue, shift goal posts and focus on ad-hominems, but fortunately for us as a species, such elements can rarely stem the tide of progress.
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關於強姦/性侵犯的數據、現實、背後的強姦文化和怪罪受害者的邏輯,請看 女性在緊張或者恐懼時會有劇烈的生理反應,為什麼這種情況下強姦犯依然能夠得逞? - 知乎用戶的回答 以及文中給出的其他鏈接。
嘗試翻譯了一下 @Yang Alex 的答案。水平有限,如有不妥錯漏之處,還望指教。
模仿陸雨奇大大搬運
A Gentlemen』s Guide To Rape Culture
Xu Beixi"s answer to Why is there so much concern about rape culture and not about murder culture?
medium這個要有臉書或twitter登錄才能看,所以全文搬運
以下是翻譯:
如果你是一個男人,你就是強姦文化的一部分。我知道……這聽起來很粗暴。你當然不是一個強姦犯,但你卻讓有關強姦文化的種種不正當態度和行為得以延續。你也許會想,喂,等等!你根本就不了解我!如果任由你說下去,好像我是個「強姦粉」,那可真是該死了!哥們,那根本就不是我!
我完全明白你的感受,因為當某人告訴我同樣的話的時候,我的反應和你完全相同。那聽起來真是太可怕了。但是想像一下,如果在世界的任何地點任何時間,你總是處在擔心被強姦的恐懼之中,那才是更可怕的事。強姦文化對每個人來說都糟糕透頂,但千萬別摳字眼兒。不要把注意力全集中在讓你覺得被冒犯的字面上,卻反而忽略了它們的本質——「強姦文化」的說法不是問題,它所描述的現實才是。
男性是強姦文化的施暴者和維持者。
當然,強姦並非僅僅是男性的罪行,女性也不是唯一的受害者——男性會強暴男性,女性也會強暴男性——但強姦之所以變成男性的問題,「我們」的問題,是基於這個事實:被報告的強姦案中,99%的施暴者為男性。
是什麼讓你變成了強姦文化的一部分?我很討厭這麼說,但是,那是因為你是個男人。
當我在夜晚穿過停車場的時候,我看見我前面有一個女人。我儘力做出一些恰當的舉動讓她察覺到我,因為1、我不想驚嚇到她;2、她有時間做些心理準備,讓自己感到安全和舒適;3、如果可能的話,我會用明顯友好的方式靠近她,並讓她知道我並非圖謀不軌之徒。我做這一切的原因是因為,我是個男人。
大體上,我能讓我在任何地方——街頭,電梯,樓梯間或其他地方——遇到的女性感到她是安全的。我希望她們感到舒適自在,就像我不在那裡一樣。我在公共場所偶遇的那些女性並不認識我,她們只會發現突然有一個男人出現在離她們很近的地方。我了解這一點,並時刻牢記我的存在可能會讓她們感覺私人空間被冒犯,害怕受到傷害。這就是關鍵的一點——脆弱無助的感覺。
我不知道你會如何,但我不會經常感到無助。而我逐漸了解到女性在她們的大部分社會生活中,無時無刻不被無助感纏繞著。想像一下,如果你總是覺得自己處於危險之中,就好像你的皮膚是玻璃做的一樣,那是種什麼樣的感覺。
作為現代男性,我們經常故意追求危險刺激的感覺。我們喜歡冒險和極限運動,因為那讓我們感覺好像我們正處於危險中。我們拿脆弱感開玩笑。這正是男性和女性看待這個世界的不同之處。(當然,我知道確實有一群女性極限運動員,她們充滿活力、享受冒險。但是,就總體而言,女性並不需要投身於極限運動來感受可能遭受傷害的風險。)
一個女人必須考慮一大堆問題:她要去哪裡,現在幾點,她什麼時候能抵達目的地以及什麼時候離開,那天是星期幾,她是否有可能必須獨自離開……這些顧忌反反覆復永無止境,因為它們比你或者我能想像的要多出無數倍。老實說,在我人生的任何時候,我都不曾想像我需要為了保護自己而不得不考慮如此之多的問題。我喜歡享受自由,在任何時候起床出門去任何地方,無論白天或黑夜,下雨或晴天,城郊或市區。作為男性,我們可以擁有這無比珍貴的自由。為了理解強姦文化,請牢記,這是世界上半數的人類無法享受的自由。
這就是我會用清晰的肢體語言來幫助一個女性降低恐懼的原因。我推薦你也這麼做,說真的。在我看來,這是男性在公共場合能做的最起碼的讓女性感到自在的事情。這是一個我們共享的世界,你要做的就是體貼她們和她們的「安全空間」。
你也許覺得這不公平,為何我們要去改變自己來抵消某些男性的無良行為?你知道嗎,你是對的。這確實不公平。可這是女性的錯嗎?還是那些自身糟糕透頂,還連累得我們所有人都顯得面目可憎的男性的錯?如果你被公平與否的問題困擾,那麼就去責怪那些行為不端的男人——是他們讓你和你的行為看起來顯得十分可疑。因為,十分不幸的是,那些最卑劣的人的行為往往被拿來評判所有男性。這就意味著在推測一個男人的行為時,不管他是否心懷不軌,一個女人都會假定他會。如果你認為這是狗屎一樣的刻板成見,那麼你是如何對待一條你在野地里遇見的蛇呢?……你會像對待一條蛇一樣地對待它,是吧?這並非成見,而是對於一個很可能會傷害你的動物的警醒和防備,是簡單的叢林法則。因為你是個男人,所以女性必然會防備你。這種警戒和恐懼心理完全合情合理,而你需要為此負責。是的,你不是創造了它的那個人,但你也同樣不曾嘗試摧毀它。在這個社會裡,你生來便得到的一些東西是冷酷無情的,而強姦文化正是其中的一部分。
沒有女性可以僅靠外在精準地判斷你的品性或目的,所以你會被假定為與其他所有男性一樣。要知道,73%的強姦案中,作案者與女性是認識的。她甚至無法全然信任和準確判斷出她認識的男性的不軌意圖,你又怎能期待她相信自己能準確判斷出你這樣一個陌生人的想法?對強暴行為的預防不僅僅是女性教給其他女性怎樣保護自己不被強姦,而是阻止男性犯下這樣的罪行。男人們必須清楚認識到這樣一個事實:說不就是說不,而不是欲拒還迎;一個喝醉或者嗑high的女性無力回應,不等於她同意;一段親密關係中的女性也並非默認為對你永不拒絕。比起關注「女性應該做什麼來避免被強姦」或者強姦文化是如何讓一個無辜的男性被懷疑和防備,我們的關注點應該是:作為男性的我們要如何阻止強姦行為的發生,以及如何去破除對這一點的有意無視和容忍態度?
說到現在,既然你是強姦文化的一部分,那麼首先你得知道它到底是什麼。根據美國馬歇爾大學女性中心網站上的定義,強姦文化是一種扭曲的環境,在這種環境中,強姦是一種普遍高發的行為,對女性的性暴力更是司空見慣,甚至媒體和流行文化還會為此辯護。在被「厭女症」催發的言語暴力中,在對於女性身體的物化中,在對性暴力的粉飾美化中,強姦文化無處不在。由此,便產生了一個完全漠視女性的權利和人身安全的社會。
當一位女性第一次告訴我,我是強姦文化的一部分時,我想要用一些看起來十分明顯的理由反駁她,比如「我可不是這樣的人」。但是,我仍然選擇了傾聽她。之後,我聯繫上了一位我十分尊敬的作家,並請求她為我寫一篇文章,向我以及廣大男性讀者解釋強姦文化的外延內涵。結果,她沒有回我的郵件。
一開始,我有點惱怒。接著,當我發現她再也不會回應我之後,我徹底發怒了。幸運的是,我明白一個人不應該在極度憤怒時立即做出回應。雷電雖然讓人印象深刻,但滋養生命的卻是雨水,所以我等待這場內心風暴平息之後,才開始靜靜地思索。我選擇了散步,那是讓我能夠自由思考的最佳方式。走出家門幾個街區之後,在一家洗車店的門口,我開始漸漸理解了這件事。弄明白強姦文化是怎麼一回事對我非常重要,但任何女性都沒有花費時間向我解釋一件她生來就明白的事的義務,她們什麼都不欠我的。我驚訝地發現在內心深處,我竟然如此在意一位女性是否讓我感到滿意。即使是讓我一向為之自豪的強烈的好奇心,也被這種以男性為中心的假設所傷害,而這種假設也成為了強姦文化成長的土壤。我希望被滿足,這種態度是個問題。我開始不斷地讀書,直到我理解了強姦文化以及我在其中所扮演的角色。
以下是強姦文化的一些體現:
- 指責受害者(「她自己要求的!」)
- 對性侵犯不以為然(「男人就是男人嘛!」)
- 露骨的性笑話
- 對性騷擾的容忍
- 鼓吹錯誤的強姦報案數字
- 公開審查受害人的穿著、精神狀態、動機和歷史
- 電影電視節目中無緣無故的性別暴力
- 將「男性氣質」定義為占支配地位的、在性方面具有攻擊性的
- 將「女性氣質」定義為惟命是從的、在性方面消極受擺布的
- 強迫男性去取得成就
- 強迫女性不得表現出冷酷
- 認定只有淫亂的女性才會被強姦
- 認為男性不會被強姦,或者只有虛弱無力的男性才會被強姦
- 拒絕嚴肅對待對強姦的指控
- 不教育男性不去強姦女性,只教育女性如何避免被強姦
你立刻就會發現,強姦文化在我們的社交生活中扮演了一個主要角色。它是我們人際交往中的核心,是我們所有的社會和社會鬥爭的一部分。強姦文化並不僅僅關於性,而是對於男性至上論的普遍認同的產物,性暴力只是其中的一種表現罷了。再強調一次,別摳字眼兒,別糾結於「男性至上論」的表達,那並不是問題的重點。重點是,強姦文化傷害了所有人。儘管已經過時,但父權中心的社會觀念仍然讓強姦案中的男性受害人恥於站出來發聲,因為男人們渴望看起來強壯有力、在性方面富有攻擊力。因此,在女性指出強姦文化的時候,男人們不應該感到被威脅或是被冒犯——她們在向我們指出男女共同的敵人。男性應該認真傾聽。
現在,既然你已經知道了強姦文化是什麼,你應該如何應對?
- 避免使用物化或侮辱女性的語言
- 如果你聽到別人說了有侵犯性的性笑話,或是為強姦辯護,請大聲地反對
- 如果你的女性好友告訴你她遭受了性侵犯,請嚴肅對待這件事,並鼓勵和支持她
- 用批判性的態度思考媒體中關於女性、男性、親密關係和性暴力的訊息
- 即使是在非正式的場合,也尊重他人,不去冒犯他們的私人空間
- 經常與你的性伴侶交流,不要認為「任何時候都同意你的性需求」是理所應當的義務
- 不要讓刻板印象束縛你的行為。你應該自己定義你的個人氣質。
當你親身感受到強姦文化時,你還能做些什麼?
1、男性應該反抗男性
沒有人應該主動挑起暴力行為。事實上,這是我們極力避免的。但在有些情況下,一個男人應當去反抗另外一個或者一群男性。當我在公共場合看到一個男人在騷擾一個女人的時候,我會停下我的腳步,並確保那位女性看到了我。我希望她知道我完全明白髮生了什麼。我會駐足一會,等待她是否向我發出明確的求救信號。有時,那對夫婦會繼續扭打在一起,好像我完全不存在。而有時,那位女性會向我求援,我則會想辦法將她解救出困境。我從未為此受過傷。常常,只是我駐足一邊的舉動本身就讓那個男人離開,或是主動解釋說他們是認識的。我的做法改變了我周圍的社交生活,這也是當我看到女性在公共場合遭受滋擾時總會停步的原因,不管她是因為什麼理由。我希望任何我遇見的女性,如果她正處於我無法準確判斷的危險狀況之中,有可能遭受傷害亟需求助的時候,知道她可以向我發出求救訊號。我就像一個保護著小妹妹的哥哥,因此我對她們求助的回應幾乎是本能的。
但是,我不會將這種幫助僅限定於女性。當我看見兩個男性戀人正在激烈爭吵時,我也做了同樣的事情。一旦你看見情況即將失控,尤其是如果其中一人正在哭著尋求幫助或者已經遭受攻擊,你就應該去解決這種狀況。你並不需要上前打斷,但是你總得做點什麼,比如吸引他們的注意力,記錄當時的情況,警告侵犯者,報警。什麼都行。
2、男性可以糾正男性
如果有人在你面前大肆污言穢語,而周圍似乎沒有人看起來受到了冒犯,你仍然可以說些什麼來阻止他。如果你聽到了厭惡侮辱女性的話也是一樣。大聲說出來,告訴你的朋友或者同事那些強姦笑話狗屎不如,而且你完全無法容忍。
相信我,你不會失去你的「男子氣概」。【註:原話是「man card」,不知道漢語怎麼翻比較貼切,英英字典是這麼解釋的:A card that doesn"t actually exist, but certifies that you are male. You may gain extra mancards throughout your
life by doing manly things. Can and should be revoked by other respectable
males for doing something profoundly unmanly.】如果你已經十九歲了,還在擔心你的「男子氣概」,那麼你根本就不知道什麼才是真正值得尊敬的男子氣概。它不是對他人無原則的贊同,而是去做正確的事情,成為一個真正的男人。如果你知道有多少男人會因為你做了他們想而不敢的事而尊敬你,你會感到驚訝的。我聽說過太多了。我並不是什麼社會正義警察,但是我敢於反對整整一屋子的人,過去會,將來也會。在那之後,有些人會接近我,並告訴我他們對我做的事有多麼欽佩。我告訴他們的是,當你每次都敢於大聲反對,這件事就會變得越來越簡單。我向你保證這是真的。
我不是說要你去攻擊所有人,也不是說我想要所有人都按照我的衡量標準來生活。沒人需要你來告訴他們你對他們說的每一個細枝末節的看法以及是否符合你對社會意識的標準。但是當有人說出一些骯髒下流的言論,而且你清楚地知道這一點——我們每個人都聽過這樣的「笑話」——你可以讓那個傢伙明白,他的強姦笑話和「她是個婊子」的比喻讓人噁心。
3、男性可以讓其他的男人立刻閉嘴
我們假設,你和一群男人在一起,你其中一個朋友開始對一個女孩大吼大叫——告訴他立刻住口。「對一個女人吼叫?你以為你會成為朋克明星嗎?」
只要你不因此而向她邀功,那你也沒有在故意「英雄救美」來表現自己(本句感謝知友 @李雲卿 翻譯)——你只是在做正確的事情。沒人想看到一個性別歧視的小丑朝一個女孩大聲吼叫,就因為那傢伙突然腦子短路了(本句感謝知友 @李雲卿 翻譯)。輕浮的噓聲是男性用來表露慾望的最糟糕的行為,那些混蛋讓我們看起來像個徹頭徹尾的工具,而不是人。你明白我的意思,我們應該制止這種混賬行為。
你必須學會如何大聲制止一群男人的不當行為。通常,這是因為你想要做到自我尊重,否則,你就是同他們一樣的可悲男人,讓一個無恥的傢伙在有你在場的情況下仍然敢侮辱一位女性。當一個男人向一個女人發出噓聲,像對待一個廉價低賤的性交對象一樣對待她,而你什麼也沒說,那麼他也會把你歸類為一個蠢貨,敢於在你面前肆無忌憚地做任何下流卑劣的事。如果看到你這樣,你的祖父會怎麼想?他會以你為榮嗎?你會為你自己驕傲嗎?男性的自豪感有時是對一些事很有好處的——比如讓你成為更好的人。不要做人群里沉默的大多數。當有男人在你面前噓一個女人,你要站出來大聲反對,讓他們閉嘴。作為一個男人,你要敢於使用你的力量。男性尊重有信念的人。
4、規範我們自己以及所有男性的行為,這是我們的責任
你也許會想,「哥們,放輕鬆。噓聲沒什麼大不了的。我們這是在小題大做!有些女人還很喜歡它呢。」也許你是對的,也許有些女人確實喜歡它。但那並不說明什麼。我堂兄喜歡在公共場合抽大麻,但我們不會去肆無忌憚地做所有我們喜歡做的事,因為我們的身份是社會成員。如果你發現有個女人喜歡被噓,那就去做,但請在私下裡進行。如果你在公共場合,請尊重他人的身體以及心靈空間。
不要把你自己限制為一個所謂的男人。去做個好人。做個真正的人。
當YesAllWomen這樣的東西出現在我們的日常對話中【註:YesAllWomen是一個twitter主題標籤,用戶用來分享關於厭女症和針對女性的暴力的一些事例和故事】,全世界範圍的女人們在那兒分享她們的經歷和痛苦,表達她們的觀點。作為男性,我們無需參與這樣的對話,我們唯一應當做的是傾聽和反思,讓她們的言語改變我們的觀念。我們的責任是不斷詢問自己,我們應當怎樣變成更好的人。
以下是英文原文:
If you are a man, you are part of rape culture. I know … that sounds rough. You』re not a rapist, necessarily. But you do perpetuate the attitudes and behaviors commonly referred to as rape culture.
You may be thinking, 「Now, hold up, Zaron! You don』t know me, homey! I』ll be damned if I』m gonna let you say I』m some sorta fan of rape. That』s not me, man!」
I totally know how you feel. That was pretty much exactly my response when someone told me I was a part of rape culture. It sounds horrible. But just imagine moving through the world, always afraid you could be raped. That』s even worse! Rape culture sucks for everyone involved. But don』t get hung up on the terminology. Don』t concentrate on the words that offend you and ignore what they』re pointing to?—?the words 「rape culture」 aren』t the problem. The reality they describe is the problem.
Men are the primary agents and sustainers of rape culture.
Rape isn』t exclusively committed by men. Women aren』t the only victims?—?men rape men, women rape men?—?but what makes rape a men』s problem, our problem, is the fact that men commit 99% of reported rapes.
How are you part of rape culture? Well, I hate to say it, but it』s because you』re a man.
When I cross a parking lot at night and see a woman ahead of me, I do whatever I feel is appropriate to make her aware of me so that a) I don』t startle her b) she has time to make herself feel safe/comfortable and c) if it』s possible, I can approach in a way that』s clearly friendly, in order to let her know I』m not a threat. I do this because I』m a man.
Basically, I acknowledge every woman I meet on the street, or in an elevator, or in a stairway, or wherever, in a way that indicates she』s safe. I want her to feel just as comfortable as if I weren』t there. I accept that any woman I encounter in public doesn』t know me, and thus, all she sees is a man?—?one who is suddenly near her. I have to keep in mind her sense of space and that my presence might make her feel vulnerable. That』s the key factor?—?vulnerability.
I don』t know about you, but I don』t spend much of my life feeling vulnerable. I』ve come to learn that women spend most of their social lives with ever-present, unavoidable feelings of vulnerability. Stop and think about that. Imagine always feeling like you could be at risk, like you were living with glass skin.
As modern men we must seek out danger. We choose adventures and extreme sports in order to feel like we』re in jeopardy. We make games of our vulnerability. That』s how differently men see the world from women. (Obviously, stated with full acknowledgment that there』s a vibrant community of extreme athletes that are women, who regularly risk their safety as well. However, women don』t need to engage in adrenalin sports to feel at-risk.)
Now, I stand about a finger of tequila under six feet. I work out and would say I』m in decent shape, which means when I』m out alone at night, I rarely ever fear for my safety. Many men know exactly what I mean. Most women have no idea what that feels like?—?to go wherever you want in the world, at any time of day or night, and feel you won』t have a problem. In fact, many women have the exact opposite experience.
A woman must consider where she is going, what time of day it is, what time she will arrive at her destination and what time she will leave her destination, what day of the week is it, if she will be left alone at any point … the considerations go on and on because they are far more numerous than you or I can imagine. Honestly, I can』t conceive of having to think that much about what I need to do to protect myself at any given moment in my life. I relish the freedom of getting up and going, day or night, rain or shine, Westside or downtown. As men we can enjoy this particular extreme luxury of movement and freedom of choice. In order to understand rape culture, remember this is a freedom that at least half the population doesn』t enjoy.
That』s why I go out of my way to use clear body language and act in a way that helps minimize a woman』s fear and any related feelings. I recommend you do the same. It』s seriously, like, the least any man can do in public to make women feel more comfortable in the world we share. Just be considerate of her and her space.
You may think it』s unfair that we have to counteract and adjust ourselves for the ill behavior of other men. You know what? You』re right. It is unfair. Is that the fault of women? Or is it the fault of the men who act abysmally and make the rest of us look bad? If issues of fairness bother you, get mad at the men who make you and your actions appear questionable.
Because when it comes to assessing a man, whatever one man is capable of, a woman must presume you are capable of. Unfortunately, that means all men must be judged by our worst example. If you think that sort of stereotyping is bullshit, how do you treat a snake you come across in the wild?
…You treat it like a snake, right? Well, that』s not stereotyping, that』s acknowledging an animal for what it』s capable of doing and the harm it can inflict. Simple rules of the jungle, man. Since you are a man, women must treat you as such.
The completely reasonable and understandable fear of men is your responsibility. You didn』t create it. But you also didn』t build the freeways either. Some of the things you inherit from society are cool and some of them are rape culture.
Since no woman can accurately judge you or your intentions on sight, you are assumed to be like all other men. 73% of the time a woman knows her rapist. Now, if she can』t trust and accurately assess the intentions of men she knows, how can you expect her to ever feel that she can accurately assess you, a complete stranger? Rape prevention is not just about women teaching women how not to get raped?—?it』s about men not committing rape.
Rape prevention is about the fact that a man must understand that saying 「no」 doesn』t mean 「yes,」 that when a woman is too drunk/drugged to respond that doesn』t mean 「yes,」 that being in a relationship doesn』t mean 「yes.」 Rather than focus on how women can avoid rape, or how rape culture makes an innocent man feel suspect, our focus should be: how do we, as men, stop rapes from occurring, and how do we dismantle the structures that dismiss it and change the attitudes that tolerate it?
Since you are a part of it, you ought to know what rape culture is.
According to Marshall University』s Women』s Center website:
Rape Culture is an environment in which rape is prevalent and in which sexual violence against women is normalized and excused in the media and popular culture. Rape culture is perpetuated through the use of misogynistic language, the objectification of women』s bodies, and the glamorization of sexual violence, thereby creating a society that disregards women』s rights and safety.
When a woman first told me I was part of rape culture, I wanted to disagree for obvious reasons. Like many of you I wanted to say, 「Whoa, that ain』t me.」 Instead, I listened. Later, I approached a writer I respect. I asked her to write an article with me, wherein she』d explain rape culture to me and to male readers. She stopped returning my emails.
At first, I was annoyed. Then as it became clear she wasn』t going to respond at all, I actually got mad. Luckily, I』ve learned one shouldn』t immediately respond when they feel flashes of anger. Thunder is impressive but it』s the rain that nourishes life. So I let that storm pass and thought about it. I took a walk. They seem to jangle my best thoughts loose.
Blocks from my house, in front of a car wash it dawned on me. If rape culture is so important to me I needed to find out for my self what it is. No woman owes me her time just because I want to know about something she inherently understands. No woman should feel she has to explain rape culture to me just because I want to know what it is. No woman owes me shit. I saw how my desire for a woman to satisfy me ran deep. Even my curiosity, a trait that always made me proud, was marred with the same sort of male-centric presumption that fuels rape culture. I expected to be satisfied. That attitude is the problem. I started reading and kept reading until I understood rape culture and my part in it.
Here』s a bullet-point list of examples of rape culture.
· Blaming the victim (「She asked for it!」)
· Trivializing sexual assault (「Boys will be boys!」)
· Sexually explicit jokes
· Tolerance of sexual harassment
· Inflating false rape report statistics
· Publicly scrutinizing a victim』s dress, mental state, motives, and history
· Gratuitous gendered violence in movies and television
· Defining 「manhood」 as dominant and sexually aggressive
· Defining 「womanhood」 as submissive and sexually passive
· Pressure on men to 「score」
· Pressure on women to not appear 「cold」
· Assuming only promiscuous women get raped
· Assuming that men don』t get raped or that only 「weak」 men get raped
· Refusing to take rape accusations seriously
· Teaching women to avoid getting raped instead of teaching men not to rape
You』ll quickly find that rape culture plays a central role in all the social dynamics of our time. It』s at the heart of all our personal interactions. It』s part of all our social, societal and environmental struggles. Rape culture is not just about sex. It is the product of a generalized attitude of male supremacy. Sexual violence is one expression of that attitude. Again, don』t let the terminology spook you. Don』t get hung up on the term 「male supremacy.」 The term isn』t the problem. The problem is that rape culture hurts everyone involved. Antiquated patriarchal notions of society make it difficult for men to come forward as rape victims just as much as they foster a desire for a man to be seen as powerful and sexually aggressive. Men shouldn』t feel threatened or attacked when women point out rape culture?—?they』re telling us about our common enemy. We ought to listen.
Now that you know what it is, what can you do about rape culture?
· Avoid using language that objectifies or degrades women
· Speak out if you hear someone else making an offensive joke or trivializing rape
· If a friend says she has been raped, take her seriously and be supportive
· Think critically about the media』s messages about women, men, relationships, and violence
· Be respectful of others』 physical space even in casual situations
· Always communicate with sexual partners and do not assume consent
· Define your own manhood or womanhood. Do not let stereotypes shape your actions.
What else can you do about rape culture when you experience it IRL?
1. Men can confront men.
No one is suggesting violence. In fact, that』s what we』re looking to avoid. But sometimes, a man needs to confront another man or a group of men in a situation. When I』m out in public and I see a man hassling a woman, I stop for a moment. I make sure the woman sees me. I want her to know I』m fully aware of what』s happening. I wait for a moment for a clear indication from her of whether she needs help. Sometimes, the couple will continue right on fighting like I』m just a hickory tree. Other times, the woman will make it clear she』d like backup and I approach the situation. I』ve never had to get violent. Usually, my presence alone makes the guy leave if he』s a stranger, or explain himself if they』re familiar. It changes the dynamic. That』s why I always stop when I see a woman getting hassled in public. For any reason. I make sure any woman, in what could become a violent situation, one I may or may not be correctly assessing, feels that she has the opportunity to signal to me if she needs assistance. I』m a big brother to a sister so that response is practically instinctual.
But, I don』t limit this to women. I』ve also done this for two men who were clearly in a lovers』 spat. Whenever you see a situation spiraling out of control, and especially if someone is crying for help or being attacked, you should confront the situation. You don』t need to 「break it up.」 But engage, get involved, take down pertinent information, alert authorities, call the police. Do something.
2. Men can correct men.
If you hear a guy say some jacked-up slurs in front of you and there』s no one from that particular community around to be offended, you can still say something. This is also true when you hear misogynistic language. Speak up. Tell your friend or co-worker that rape jokes are bullshit and you won』t tolerate them.
Trust me you won』t lose your 「man card.」 If you』re older than nineteen and you』re still worried about your man card, you don』t understand what respectable masculinity is about, anyway. It』s not about cultish approval from others?—?it』s about being 「your own man」 and doing the right thing. You might be surprised by how many other men will respect you for doing what they wanted to but didn』t. I』ve heard it plenty. I』m not some social justice cop, but I have and will argue with whole roomfuls of men. Later on, some dudes will approach me and say how much they respected what I did. I always tell them it gets easier to speak up every time you do it. I promise you that』s true.
No one is suggesting you go around policing everybody. I don』t make it my business to make sure everyone live by my yardstick. No one needs you telling them what you think about every little thing they say and whether it meets your criteria for social awareness. But when some dude says some foul shit, and you know it?—?we all hear those jokes?—?you can let the dude know his rape joke or his 「she』s a whore」 analogy didn』t play.
3. Men can make other men STFU.
Let』s say, you』re in a group of men, and one of your friends starts hollering at a girl?—?tell him to knock it the fuck off. You won』t be a punk for speaking up for the woman. As long as you don』t try to score points with her for 「defending her,」 you won』t be white-knighting it either. You』re just doing the right thing. No one needs some sexist clown hollering at her because the dude popped a mental woody. Cat-calling is one of the worst advertisements for male sexuality there is. Those assholes make us all look like complete tools. You get that, right? We need to cut that shit out.
Working construction is when I learned to speak up to a group of men. You have to do it. Mostly, you do it because you want to respect yourself. Otherwise, you』re another pathetic man that allows a guy to mistreat a woman in your presence. When a guy cat-calls a woman and you don』t say something, he just treated her like a cheaply degraded sex object for his satisfaction and he turned you into the punk-ass that』s willing to allow him to mistreat a woman in your presence … while you say nothing.
What would your grandfather think if he saw you in that moment? Would he be proud of you? Are you proud of yourself? Male pride is good for something?—?use it to be your better self. Don』t be that silent punk that goes along with the crowd to get along with the crowd. Speak up when someone cat-calls a woman in front of you. Tell them to shut the fuck up. As a man, you have power. Use it. Men respect conviction.
4. It』s our job to have standards for ourselves, and thus, for all men.
You may think, 「Zaron, man, lighten up, brother. Cat-calling is not that big a deal. Aren』t we making a mountain out of a molehill? Some women like it.」 You may be right. Maybe some women do like it. That doesn』t matter. I like to speed. My cousin likes to smoke pot in public. Neither of us gets to do what we like. That』s just how it goes sometimes when you』re a member of a society. If you find that woman who likes to be cat-called, go for it, just do it behind closed doors. When you』re in public, respect the physical and mental space of others.
Don』t limit yourself to being a man. Be a mensch. Be a human being.
When something like #YesAllWomen occurs in our cultural conversation and women the world over are out there sharing their experiences, their trauma, their stories and their personal views, as men, we don』t need to enter that conversation. In that moment, all we need to do is listen, and reflect, and let their words change our perspective. Our job is to ask ourselves how we can do better.
描述了一種社會悲劇,一種極端的性別歧視下的悲劇。
我上大學的第一天,我們班主任在班會上告訴我們,我們這個行業不適合女人。因為是工程行業,我沒有多想。但後來發現,我們學校的很多專業,老師都似是而非的說過類似的話,比如,男生做這個會更有優勢;你是女生,怎麼績點比男生還低;女生要更努力啊之類的。
然後我發現在職場,就性別而言,男人的優勢是壓倒性的。
後來放眼媒體,特別是香港媒體,經常會有這樣的新聞,某某女星嫁入豪門,求神只為添丁。
其實女人在全世界都面臨這樣的問題,女人需要保護,需要供養,需要生育。
而在印度,這樣的問題及其突出,演變成,早婚。過度生育。墮胎。
女人徹徹底底的變成了某種性符號。
印度的社會層級太誇張,平均受教育程度太低。所以可以發現各種各樣的歧視,性別上的,種姓上,當然還有及其薄弱的法治基礎。
就像片子里展現的那樣,很多情況下,發生200起可能只能認定12起,因為被害人不會說出去。當然如果被害人被強姦的事情被丈夫或者其他男性親屬發現,必然會受到暴力虐待。
如果仔細看片子,你會發現接受採訪的犯人,他的眼神是平靜的,或者說他意識不到他的罪行。
女人不值得被尊重的社會輿論在印度中層,下層還有很大影響力。
教育的可貴就在於此。你獲得你的價值,你找到你的未來,你會擁有安全感。
但是在這個案子里,施暴的人有犯罪高發人群的全部特點,貧窮,受教育程度低,童年有受虐的陰影,反社會傾向。
被害人是一個醫學生,一個未來的醫生,遭到如此的慘劇才引發全印度的示威。
別忘了,還有188個沉默的印度女人,以及每隔20分鐘就發生一次的強姦。
再添加一些內容吧,因為評論中的一個問題。在中國一個女人被強姦了,她丈夫會是什麼反應?
我覺得恐怕女人的處境不會很好。這個問題取決於生活環境的寬容度,和丈夫的受教育程度,對性侵害的看法。如果在一線城市,受教育高一些,能認清自己的女人是受傷害的一方,少把重點放在自己女人被X了,女人可以得到保護。
但是我對我們國家的生活環境以及丈夫的素質沒有什麼信心。有多少雙方都是重點大學畢業的小夫妻,面對結婚彩禮誰買房買車這種問題,就能撕逼撕到天翻地覆?(詳情可見微博上各種狗血前任撕逼貼),中國人都沒有學會"不要輕易評價別人"和「尊重別人的隱私」這兩個基本公民素質,就別談在社會輿論上保護女性了。
要是自己女人被強姦了,我認為中國絕大多數男人心裡都過不去這個坎,女人穿的少是被強姦的原因,這種想法大有市場,和印度不謀而合。而且持這種想法的老年人特別多,他們可能沒讀過多少書,但是作為七大姑八大姨八卦別人的時候,可是特別有活力。
最後回到原題上,一個女人獲得獨立地位的途徑在哪裡?經濟地位的獨立。
獨立掙錢工作,不僅獲得個人價值,而且關鍵是在一個缺失法律保障的國家,要是沒有金錢的保障,女人就一無所有了。手裡有錢,才有底氣打仗啊,多接觸外面,有了不斷增長的知識眼界,才知道這仗怎麼打。女人撐起半邊天,這半邊天不是男人給的,要靠女人自己捍衛。
所以什麼是女人的幸福?擁有選擇的權利。
我一直認為,一個真正了不起的民族,就是要敢於正視自己民族的陰暗面,而不是掖著藏著。肉體上的毒瘡,難道蓋上一塊布遮擋就能阻止它的繼續腐爛么?
男尊女卑的思想在全世界都普遍存在,中東女人不能參加奧運會,不能不戴面紗出門;日本女人結婚後就不工作一心相夫教子……而一心想生育男嗣不惜墮胎女嬰,家裡的男孩總是能分到比姐妹更多的愛護這種事情時時刻刻都發生在我們身邊。多少無知的男人覺得強姦女性是展現自己雄風的行為,多少下流的男人覺得對妻子耀武揚威就是顯示自己能耐的途徑,多少愚昧的男人以為生男生女是女人的肚子爭不爭氣,多少齷蹉的男人幻想自己強姦女性包括各種下流招數,又有多少人以為婚內強姦是合法的,又有多少人參加婚禮猥褻伴娘來滿足自己見不得人的欲求,又有多少人渴望著三妻四妾而自己的老婆必須循規蹈矩……
這些事情就發生我們周圍,或許並不像印度表現的那麼惡劣那麼慘無人道,但其劣根性是不容忽視的。發生在印度的那些強姦案是駭人聽聞的,但誰也不可否認最可怕的還是那些譴責受害者著裝、出門時間的言論了。這不光縱容了性犯罪,還掐滅了受害者維護權益的希望。《印度的女兒》裡面那兩個看上去受過高等教育的律師,卑鄙無恥的言論在我看尚不如那目不識丁的強姦犯。印度距離我們普通的中國老百姓還是遙遠,或許我們管不了別的國家的事情,但引以為戒確實是國人該做的事情。類似的事情在世界每一個角落都在發生,我們能做的就是接受文明人道的思想,尊重女性,關懷弱勢群體,從自身消滅性別歧視。自己先文明了,才會影響周圍的人,慢慢影響到整個國家和人類社會。
《印度的女兒》中的那個律師眼中,他們有著優秀的文化,但這文化沒有女人的一席之地。——但這不是文化或文明,而是一種自以為是的男權狂傲。真正的男人懂得尊重女士,照顧女性,忠於妻子,對兒女一視同仁,這才是最優秀的文化培養出的傑出人種。
最讓我震驚的不是強姦犯的暴行,不是辯護律師一臉正經的胡說八道,而是最後一位強姦犯的妻子所說的話。如果連女性自己都認為必須依附男人才能生存,沒有了丈夫的保護就彷彿世界末日一般,這樣的價值觀我也只能呵呵。
簡單說說我對這部紀錄片的觀感,以及搬運部分印度女權主義者對這部片子的反對理由。
看完整部片子的最直接感受,是無法抑制的憤怒。
紀錄片呈現出來的:被害者何其無辜,學者和法官的理性分析,加害人毫無悔意,辯護律師的振振有詞,多個視角的不同切換,給人的衝擊極大。
尤其是一位印度女性的吶喊:」難道我不是這個國家的女兒嗎?難道我沒有活下去的權利嗎? 「 可見強姦案受害人在司法效率低下和整個社會觀念壓迫下的極度無助。
被害人的同學在片尾點出了全片想要的表達的主題:「犯下這些惡行的人毫無悔意。法律將會懲治他們,法律也必須懲治他們,不然他們將肆無忌憚。如果清除一個禽獸,會改變這個社會嗎?不會。整個社會的固有觀念需要得到改變。」
如果說紀錄片想要傳遞片尾的觀點,那麼整個片子的拍攝無疑是成功的,至少向旁觀者展現了印度女性歷來較為底下的地位,強姦案盛行的原因,這起惡性案件激發義憤的原因,等等。
印度政府給出禁令的原因是:這部片子"冒犯女性,並且已經在女性群體中引起恐慌"("...are highly offensive and
have already created a situation of tension and fear among women in
society")。而在一個採訪視頻中,有位印度女性激動地表示,這部片子沒有深入探討印度的文化傳統,單純從西方視角來拍攝,抹黑了印度的形象。還有幾位印度女權活動家給印度當地電視台的一封信里詳細地闡述了反對這部片子放映的理由。我摘抄總結幾個最相關的:
1. 這起案件仍在最高法院審理過程中,提前播映會製造輿論壓力,造成審判不公。
2. 記錄片的拍攝過程違反了印度監獄的管理條例及相關印度法律。
3. 針對其中一位被告的採訪,使他作出了對其他被告的不利證言。
4. 對本片被告人律師的採訪以及兩位律師的極端言論,會使人誤以為他們的觀點代表印度法律。
5. 對被害人所受傷害的描述過於具體且不必要。
6. 製片人沒有考慮到這部片子可能起到進一步煽動性犯罪和暴力的後果
7. 這部片子強調了被告的貧窮背景,可能給人造成強姦犯都是窮人的錯覺。
8. 在印度,Hate speech 和教唆犯罪是被禁止的。
9. 這部片子沒有深入地探討印度的刑事司法系統存在的相關問題。
原文鏈接在此,Why prominent feminists support India"s Daughter ban 我的總結較為片面,可能不夠精確,有興趣的同學可以去讀下這封信原文,歡迎指正。
我個人的看法是:
1. 一切歷史文化傳統,都不應該成為侵犯人權的理由。無論印度特色,還是XX特色也好,不能因為印度有重男輕女的傳統,就認定這項傳統可以不受指摘。
2. 從法律的角度看,司法體系本身應當有一套預防輿論干預司法的機制,比如隔離陪審團,或者審判期間不允許法官看報紙電視等等,而不應該本末倒置,因為擔心輿論誤導司法,就一棍子打死輿論,將其噤聲。
3. 我不敢說那兩位的印度律師的意見是否代表了廣大印度人民的看法,但是,有資格入稟印度最高法院的律師,竟然能說出這麼粗鄙的話來,實在是讓我大跌眼鏡,這至少說明他們的看法在印度具有一定市場。也更應該把這樣的觀點展現在鏡頭前,讓觀眾評判是非。
4. 說這部片子構成Hate speech 和教唆犯罪,得有一定法律依據,口說無憑。 畢竟片中並非所有印度男人都以負面形象出現。對犯罪現象的容忍和沉默,才是最大的縱容。
各位評論而不是罵人的老師,非常感謝。
我堅信觀點的市場和經濟的市場一樣,只要人們是自由而理智的,就會產出對我們社會最優的公共意見。謝謝你們,讓我們向這一目標慢慢前行。原諒我因為時間原因,不能一一回復。
有一個觀點我要在這裡說明一下,就是有人問我,你有沒有把「要自由要獨立」的觀點強加在那些「要依附要嬌養」的女性身上?
簡單的回答:沒有。複雜的理由是這樣。在美國,家庭婦女的地位要高於中國,為什麼?除了社會經濟的不同以外,很大的原因是因為,他們是「自願選擇」做家庭婦女的,被社會看作一種對家庭和孩子的奉獻,和上班一樣偉大。而在中國,很多人認為,家庭婦女是「被迫」的,或者理所當然的,所以沒什麼好偉大的。你看,因為社會爭取了女性出來工作的自由,所以在某種程度上,也給了選擇不工作的婦女更大的自由。
在中國,也是這樣。如果你願意依附男人,願意被保護嬌養,那就去啊,沒有任何阻力,我們只是在為那些不想這樣,想要獨立的女性爭取權利而已。爭取到他們的自由,也增加了你的潛在自由,萬一有一天你不想過那樣的日子呢?
各位認真給質疑、反對的答主,特別不好意思,我沒有先跟你們討論,而是先回復了一批……嗯……和你們的回答明顯不同的答覆。因為……好爽啊!!!哈哈哈。
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最讓我吃驚的,不是他們說:「女人和男人是不平等的。」
不是伸進體內把腸子拉出來的殘酷暴行。
而是強姦犯的律師屢屢重複的一句話:「女人是珠寶,是嬌花,應該被放在寺廟裡保護,如果放在大街上,那麼被偷走了就是你自己的過錯。」
細思恐極,不寒而慄。
這句話很熟悉不是嗎?
2015年3月8日,百度搜索首頁把題目變成了一個GIF圖,一個小玩偶站在音樂盒上,蓬蓬裙,轉圈圈,一轉,是洋娃娃玻璃珠,又轉,是婚紗玫瑰花,再轉,就是嬰兒車小黃鴨。
很多女性對這家互聯網巨頭把女性物化、玩偶化的價值觀抗議,而很多男性對此的反映是:「把你當作寶貝還不好嗎?」
不好,真的不好。
如果我是珠寶,我沒有自己的生命主權,沒有自己的內在價值,我之所以珍貴,是因為我屬於你,我之所以可愛,是因為你覺得我可愛。你對我珍之重之,倍加呵護,怕我驚怕我苦,但是你會把我放在襯著天鵝絨的盒子里,在上面婉轉歌唱。
你不會考慮,也許我想在草地里撒個野, 把衣服弄髒。
你不會考慮,也許我想和三五好友,朗月清風,酩酊大醉。
你不會考慮,也許我對你的所想所做,並不完全認同,並時時準備反駁。
你不會考慮,有一天我說我要離開你。
而這些,都是一個「人」的基本權利,作為你的珠寶,我沒有。
如果任由你把我當作珠寶,那麼你只消把邏輯自然地向前推一點,便會把我帶到印度女性的位置。
晚上八點半,七點半,甚至是六點半,在首都的大街上乘坐交通工具是危險的,因為你是珠寶,所以你要防止被搶
穿戴露出腳踝的衣服是危險的,因為你是珠寶,所以你要韜光養晦。
再往前推一步,我們就來到了那些用黑色長袍罩住女人的國家。
因為你們是珠寶,你們是丈夫的財產,所以你們要從頭到尾把自己罩起來,不見天日。
因為你們是珠寶,所以你們沒有必要去追求人的生命價值,上學,工作,nonono。
這一切恐怖的事情,離把我們當珠寶的當今中國,看似遙遠,其實只有邏輯上幾個轉身的距離。
不信?
請看看眾多中國男性對女性抗議百度婦女節doodle的反應:(我只截取微博上認證用戶的部分言論)
"還尼瑪一幫沒事兒乾的閑人出來解讀幾張Doodle的涵義和象徵,你國真是太適合搞文字獄了。"
"百度婦女節Doodle的設計者在微博上解釋設計意圖被網民群噴——「你就是物化女性就是就是」——這些人自證了你國「窗帘是藍色的表達了作者的什麼心理」式教育的成功。"
「谷歌與百度三八婦女節圖,就是畫得美與丑差別。谷歌圖畫得很棒,百度圖畫得很醜,就是這樣。就像春晚小品,就是好笑與不好笑的差別一樣。如果這些這都能看出女權啊歧視啊,說明你們內心都藏著個廣電總局。先把自己內心廣電總局掐死,再來抗議那個廣電總局封殺美劇吧。這條微博同樣不歡迎任何不同觀點。」
一張試圖限定女性、judge女性的婦女節doodle,在我國婦女節的那一天,被數以億計的國民看見。一些覺得自己被冒犯了,被代表了的女性出來,在微博這樣一個公共平台上發表自己的聲音,結果呢?
這些大V們,他們用高高在上的姿態對你說:你們想多了,你們太多事,你們閉嘴,不要質疑。
請相信我,還有更加極端的語言已經超過人類容忍極限,而我只是截取勉強還可以討論的而已。
為什麼我們可以對侮辱中國人的眯眯眼黃皮膚steorotype漫畫感到憤怒
可以對chingchongchongching的語言提起歧視訴訟
可以說一張漫畫侮辱了一個宗教
但是我們女性卻不可以對一個試圖generalize我們的圖片表達質疑?
我們都沒有要求你改,要求你道歉,只是單純的,質疑而已。
為什麼不可以?
因為他們假裝你是自由的、獨立的、聰明的,但是其實他們還認為你是珠寶,並且覺得你應該為此感到高興,遵守一個珠寶的本分。
可是我真的不想做你的珠寶,我願意做一棵自由的小草。明天就是春分,天地間,風大雨大,快樂無邊。我從不諱言自己是一個女權主義者 ,這個紀錄片實在讓我震驚又憤怒,我慢慢覺得這個問題已經與女權無關了,而是一個犯罪問題。
昨天睡覺前花了快半個小時看了 @雨亦奇搬運來的一個答案(現在已經排名第一了),這位印度女性的答案真是犀利至極,語言也極其漂亮,估計是名在外國留學很久的上層人士,所以我想把這個答案翻譯一下,但是實在是特別長,我會慢慢翻譯完的,先貼一部分吧。
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紀錄片遭到禁播,我萬分憤慨,這種憤怒並不是來自紀錄片本身。印度政府的舉措恰恰起到了反作用,這個短視的行為只會進一步玷污我們在國際上的形象。
排名前幾的答案再脫離語境的情況下引用數據,並聲稱為什麼沒有美國的女兒,英國的女兒,我覺得這個問題的答案與我在大概半年前回答「為什麼強姦在印度如此泛濫」的答案很像,我再把答案搬運到這裡。
因為我們印度人在強姦發生時拒絕承認強姦,前幾名的答案花了很長的篇幅試圖證明一些國家的強姦案更加頻發,這些答主甚至不承認在我們國家大多數的強姦並沒有上報給警方。
2007年印度兒童虐待研究」顯示,超過51%的印度兒童也許曾經遭遇性虐待,許多孩子從未告訴任何人他們遭遇了虐待。大約有1.5億未成年女孩與7300萬未成年男孩曾經被迫與他人發生性關係,或遭遇其他性暴力。
大家現在能明白這個數字有多麼龐大嗎?2.23億人!英國的人口是6300萬,美國人口是大概3億,而這僅僅只是兒童性虐待。呃,有可能是西方人在詆毀我們?不過好像這個報告是印度兒童與婦女保護部的發布的。沒關係:眼不見心不煩,是嗎?
事實是,印度有超過99.4%的強姦案沒有上報。
「你被叔叔強姦了?如果你懷孕了我會讓他付墮胎費的,你明天就回來上班吧,我們已經三天沒吃飯了。」
一個叫Promila的女孩告訴媽媽自己被叔叔強姦並懷孕後,她媽媽是這樣回答她的。「我們不能抱怨叔叔,他們跟我是一家人,告他違反了規矩。「我問她為什麼不去找律師幫忙,她這樣回答我。
她讓我陷入了思考,印度是個文化與種族都很多樣的國家,我們被要求遵從文化傳統與規則。但這意味著叔叔不是強姦犯嗎?這改變了你被強姦的事實了嗎?當然是,當然沒有!
Promila第二天早上真的開始工作了,她每天要去鄰居家做家務活,我眼看著她隱瞞了這件事,再也沒有告訴任何人。
一天早上,我報警了。
「我們這裡沒有人叫這個名字,女士」警察在電話里告訴我。
「沒人叫Promila Das」
你都不存在了,怎麼能說自己被強姦了?
那麼我們來看看瑞典,美國和芬蘭。有幾個答主說,看上去他們比印度還糟糕。這是因為強姦的「定義」在每個國家都不一樣。在瑞典,唯一重要的就是一個女人說了「不」,也許她表演了脫衣舞,給他口交,觸摸他的敏感部位,但如果她說了不,但是你沒有停下來,就是強姦罪。這有很像克拉拉邦(印度西南部)的犯罪率最高,但卻是印度最安全,最文明的地方之一。主要是因為高效的警察讓更多人相信警察,敢於上報任何犯罪行為。但最另外一些地方,你可能在警察局都會被強姦。
同時,婚內強姦在印度甚至根本不算犯罪!還有很多名聲不錯的國家也是這樣,比如中國,阿富汗,巴基斯坦,沙特。你認為如果我們立法,就有印度女性敢於說出她們的丈夫每天都強姦她們嗎?
實際上,婚內強姦的議題確實也被一些受人尊敬的立法者眼前,但他們在一份報告中拒絕為婚內強姦立法,並辯解道:
「有可能毀掉婚姻制度「
「如果婚內強姦被寫入法律,整個家庭制度都會受到很大的壓力「
1/4的城市女性都會被自己的丈夫強姦,更不用說農村了。
是的,我們從不承認這也是強姦,因為強姦也是婚姻的一部分,對嗎?
所以,當定義不同時,比較數據又有什麼意義?
所以這條紀錄片播放幾天後,我們的心態和文化都改變了,現在每個人都對強姦態度嚴肅起來了?你去跟那些農村裡為強姦犯辯護的人說吧。(註:這裡原作者貼了一條新聞鏈接:內容是一些農村印度人為強姦犯辯護)
只要我們試圖掩蓋它,強姦就會是一個問題,並且一直存在下去。現在,女孩上街更安全了嗎?你的姐妹,母親,女兒無論晚上出門穿什麼上街都覺得自如了嗎?你出過國嗎?你能想像和一個女孩走在一起跟在印度有多大不同嗎?我們離女性也能感到安全這條標準還差得太遠。
如果你家裡有一塊食物腐爛了,你會試著蓋起來,撒點香水,假裝什麼事也沒有嗎?當然不會。讓我們承認這個問題,並解決好它,而不是責怪什麼西方媒體正在炒作強姦危機
PS 我同意「讓印度蒙羞,詆毀印度形象」確實也是真的,但是這跟我們手上真正的問題相比,實在微不足道。就像我的孩子生病了,在他需要我時,我卻在外面跟那些嘲笑我孩子生病了的其他人爭論不休
PPS:有人在說色情片導致了強姦?!讓我們更加壓抑自己的性需求,這真有用,不是嗎?
前段時間看了,哭得個死去活來。
就事論事,別跟我說什麼大道理,我只知道如果那個女孩兒是我的女兒,我真的能活活咬斷六個強姦犯的脖子。想到17歲那個罪犯今年年底還會被釋放,真是…必須得組團伏擊他!!!
當然,作為看客,我覺得最噁心的是強姦犯的兩個辯護律師。長得就丑。媽的。
辯護丑律師A說,女人就代表性,就該待在家裡,鑽石被放在大街上就別怪狗來叼走。
辯護丑律師B說,如果我的女兒或者親屬被強姦了還宣揚,那不如去死,我會把她們帶到農場,親手潑汽油燒死她們。
警察局長字裡行間考慮的全部是大局,下意識透露出來的訊息,其實也是看不起女人的。
簡直被氣笑了。
其實這是些噁心事情離我們並不遙遠。多看看各大論壇關於性騷擾的話題就知道了。
整個紀錄片我跟我媽一起看的。我正在怒責的時候,我媽媽突然說:「這個時候其實也要感謝毛主席的,你以為當年的那些貞節牌坊哪裡來的,你以為你這德行在古時候還活著?早被浸豬籠了。就是現在也還有重男輕女啊,我和你爸爸那個年代,大部分家庭有什麼好吃的都是優先供給兒子的,你以為你爺爺奶奶有多愛你?」
哎。
有時候會想,所謂的四大文明古國,這份文明惠及過女人么。
片中還有個細節,說那個女孩和她朋友被罪犯丟在路邊,全裸,周圍三五十個人圍觀,可是在隨後趕來的警察的求助下,竟然沒有一個人幫忙。
中國文明程度高於印度。
印度人中也有友好善良的,我也接觸過。只是說心裡話,我此生不想去印度。
希望大印度帝國就這樣「有文化」的繼續下去,起碼中國不用墊底了。
首先,這可能不是一部你隨便打看就能看完的記錄片,在你沒有下定決心前,可以移步圖貼。
印度人認為女孩晚上上街就活該被強姦?印度公交車強姦案的紀錄片
另外,BBC在案件發生次年曾推出另外一部紀錄片 INDIA:A Dangerous Place To Be A Woman,這部紀錄片相對來講要柔和一些,當然,也只是相對的。
[熟肉][BBC] 可憐生為印度女
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一些題外話寫在前頭,目前(2015年3月18日8:43:57)在知乎上關於紀律片《印度的女兒》的問題只有兩個,精品答案也只有兩個。當然, 首先要謝謝兩位答主用心寫答案,不過我有點不同的感覺。兩位答主好像都是在分析了很多之後,但……
如果一句話加了轉折詞後,前面一切就好像都不重要了。
愛瑪儂黎劍
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知乎上有個問題我們對印度的認識是否有誤? - 國際政治,一個答案被贊了三千多又被踩下來。一個人對一個國家看法是什麼樣的,不能用正確或錯誤來概括,而是它是否全面,還是片面。認識到這個國家好的一面,壞的一面,由壞變好的一面,或者由好變壞的一面。
印度的女兒這部紀錄片也只是告訴觀眾,在印度壞的一面中一個極端的,滅絕人性的悲劇。也讓你我認識了喬蒂Jyoti這個89年出生23歲的女孩,她曾經對未來充滿希望的生活過,卻被黑暗無情的吞噬了,而如今她的靈魂已經順著恆河去往天國。反對 @黎劍 的看法
BBC這套手法是建立在一個前提上:
在任何國家,強姦都是違法的。社會輿論都會一致指責強姦者,強姦者應該承擔百分之百的全部責任,支持受害者站出來維護自己的權益。
但是在印度,傳統輿論都會把責任推到女性頭上,造成大量女性即使被強姦,也會因為世俗的眼光而無法報案,造成無數女性受害,違法者逍遙法外。片中提到一點,「餓死事小,失節事大」,女性如果被強姦,還不如死掉。於是這部片子展示了一個極端的案例,那就是犯罪分子是出於對受害者的懲罰,居然是因為受害者晚上出來,而不是呆在家裡,這種行為挑戰了世俗的權威,所以這些強姦犯才被實施強姦並殺害受害者,然後回家洗澡睡覺,在他們的道德觀念中,這甚至是一種正義,維護男權的正義。更令人髮指的是,犯罪分子中有未成年人,連犯罪分子的女性家人,都認為他們是無辜的,這充分展示了印度男權已經變態到了什麼程度!這也是BBC放出這部紀錄片的根本原因之一,在這種社會文化的掩蓋下,有多少女性受害卻沒有機會申冤?這根本不是圖片中那些數字可以體現的。
該紀錄片還沒有播放之前,農村群眾就把強姦犯拉出來弔死了。BBC的紀錄片還沒放,怎麼煽動當地不明真相的群眾?
花了快一個小時看完,心裡很不是滋味,印度不是所有人都這樣,紀錄片是帶有怎樣的先驗價值判斷的這些或多或少都知道。但如果一部他國的紀錄片,僅僅停留在他們國家是怎樣的基礎上,那你觀看這段紀錄片就是沒有意義的。
我不討論印度怎樣,因為我沒去過。但是在片子里我能感受到和中國一樣的信息和文化氛圍。
我曾經看到過一個問題:女性穿著暴露能不能視為對男性的性騷擾。再看這段紀錄片,你會發現那些為強姦犯辯護的人的思維模式,與中國的大多數男男女女幾乎沒有差別,在中國,有多少人認為女孩子晚歸、穿著暴露、單獨和男性朋友出去玩是一件不應該的事?能這麼做的女人就是個不正經的女人?一個女人遭受了侵犯,如果她是陪酒女、娼妓似乎侵犯就不顯得那麼罪惡,好像是女人咎由自取,甚至是應該的。穿著熱褲短上衣即便遇到了性侵犯,也和你在大馬路上肩上搭著1w現金招搖過市一樣,被傷害,被搶,被侵犯,都是你活該!你傻逼!
而我們與印度的不同僅僅在於,中國的男性會不會真的去強姦然後謀殺一個素不相識的女性。而這一切完全寄托在法律能不能還女性以公道,道德能不能起到束縛作用上,簡直就像是建立在沙堆上的高樓大廈,時時刻刻都會倒,法律的條文可以改,可以辯護,如果你有足夠的權利你就可以逃脫,警力也肯定不能面面俱到,警察可以說他手上有更多更重要的案子要處理,而道德更是毫無底氣,那麼女性還有安全可言么?
一個人生活在這個國家,能開心地和朋友喝酒聊天,再晚回去都不用擔心會不會不安全,是這個國家對生活在其中的公民最起碼的保證。而現在,一個女人深夜回家,卻要被說成不規矩,碰到不好的事要被說成活該,坐公交車也要擔心會不會遇到咸豬手,走小路還要擔心會不會遇到壞人,如此生活還有什麼可靠可言?
在這段片子里最後,那位罪犯說,他是從之後的報道中才知道,原來死者是醫學生,他對死者一無所知,也就是說,被害者是否不規矩不正派不保守,與罪犯會不會犯罪沒有任何關係。罪犯對死者的揣測全是出於自己一時的情緒,一個情緒便能決定自己的罪行是不是罪行,這不是太可怕了嗎?
女人不是花,不是水,不是什麼鑽石和珠寶,女人是人!
女人的價值不是花的價值,不是鑽石的價值,而是人的價值。女人之所以會面對這樣那樣的不平等,就是因為女人從來沒有被當作人一樣看待。女人只被視作女兒,妻子,朋友,母親來看待,這個社會替女人約定她們要怎樣走人生的道路,替女人決定她們要以哪種面目生活在這個世界上。沒有那些身份傍身,女人似乎就不是女人,就要接受社會的不理解甚至是譴責。
印度的女兒,不是給世界的人看印度的女人如何在印度生活。而是在給世界的人看,任何女人都不能如印度的女兒一樣生活,任何權威都不能強迫女人像印度的女兒一樣生活。模仿陸雨奇大大搬運
https://medium.com/human-parts/a-gentlemens-guide-to-rape-culture-7fc86c50dc4c
Xu Beixi"s answer to Why is there so much concern about rape culture and not about murder culture?
medium這個要有臉書或twitter登錄才能看,所以全文搬運
If you are a man, you are part of rape culture. I know … that sounds rough. You』re not a rapist, necessarily. But you do perpetuate the attitudes and behaviors commonly referred to as rape culture.
You may be thinking, 「Now, hold up, Zaron! You don』t know me, homey! I』ll be damned if I』m gonna let you say I』m some sorta fan of rape. That』s not me, man!」
I totally know how you feel. That was pretty much exactly my response when someone told me I was a part of rape culture. It sounds horrible. But just imagine moving through the world, always afraid you could be raped. That』s even worse! Rape culture sucks for everyone involved. But don』t get hung up on the terminology. Don』t concentrate on the words that offend you and ignore what they』re pointing to?—?the words 「rape culture」 aren』t the problem. The reality they describe is the problem.
Men are the primary agents and sustainers of rape culture.
Rape isn』t exclusively committed by men. Women aren』t the only victims?—?men rape men, women rape men?—?but what makes rape a men』s problem, our problem, is the fact that men commit 99% of reported rapes.
How are you part of rape culture? Well, I hate to say it, but it』s because you』re a man.
When I cross a parking lot at night and see a woman ahead of me, I do whatever I feel is appropriate to make her aware of me so that a) I don』t startle her b) she has time to make herself feel safe/comfortable and c) if it』s possible, I can approach in a way that』s clearly friendly, in order to let her know I』m not a threat. I do this because I』m a man.
Basically, I acknowledge every woman I meet on the street, or in an elevator, or in a stairway, or wherever, in a way that indicates she』s safe. I want her to feel just as comfortable as if I weren』t there. I accept that any woman I encounter in public doesn』t know me, and thus, all she sees is a man?—?one who is suddenly near her. I have to keep in mind her sense of space and that my presence might make her feel vulnerable. That』s the key factor?—?vulnerability.
I don』t know about you, but I don』t spend much of my life feeling vulnerable. I』ve come to learn that women spend most of their social lives with ever-present, unavoidable feelings of vulnerability. Stop and think about that. Imagine always feeling like you could be at risk, like you were living with glass skin.
As modern men we must seek out danger. We choose adventures and extreme sports in order to feel like we』re in jeopardy. We make games of our vulnerability. That』s how differently men see the world from women. (Obviously, stated with full acknowledgment that there』s a vibrant community of extreme athletes that are women, who regularly risk their safety as well. However, women don』t need to engage in adrenalin sports to feel at-risk.)
Now, I stand about a finger of tequila under six feet. I work out and would say I』m in decent shape, which means when I』m out alone at night, I rarely ever fear for my safety. Many men know exactly what I mean. Most women have no idea what that feels like?—?to go wherever you want in the world, at any time of day or night, and feel you won』t have a problem. In fact, many women have the exact opposite experience.
A woman must consider where she is going, what time of day it is, what time she will arrive at her destination and what time she will leave her destination, what day of the week is it, if she will be left alone at any point … the considerations go on and on because they are far more numerous than you or I can imagine. Honestly, I can』t conceive of having to think that much about what I need to do to protect myself at any given moment in my life. I relish the freedom of getting up and going, day or night, rain or shine, Westside or downtown. As men we can enjoy this particular extreme luxury of movement and freedom of choice. In order to understand rape culture, remember this is a freedom that at least half the population doesn』t enjoy.
That』s why I go out of my way to use clear body language and act in a way that helps minimize a woman』s fear and any related feelings. I recommend you do the same. It』s seriously, like, the least any man can do in public to make women feel more comfortable in the world we share. Just be considerate of her and her space.
You may think it』s unfair that we have to counteract and adjust ourselves for the ill behavior of other men. You know what? You』re right. It is unfair. Is that the fault of women? Or is it the fault of the men who act abysmally and make the rest of us look bad? If issues of fairness bother you, get mad at the men who make you and your actions appear questionable.
Because when it comes to assessing a man, whatever one man is capable of, a woman must presume you are capable of. Unfortunately, that means all men must be judged by our worst example. If you think that sort of stereotyping is bullshit, how do you treat a snake you come across in the wild?
…You treat it like a snake, right? Well, that』s not stereotyping, that』s acknowledging an animal for what it』s capable of doing and the harm it can inflict. Simple rules of the jungle, man. Since you are a man, women must treat you as such.
The completely reasonable and understandable fear of men is your responsibility. You didn』t create it. But you also didn』t build the freeways either. Some of the things you inherit from society are cool and some of them are rape culture.
Since no woman can accurately judge you or your intentions on sight, you are assumed to be like all other men. 73% of the time a woman knows her rapist. Now, if she can』t trust and accurately assess the intentions of men she knows, how can you expect her to ever feel that she can accurately assess you, a complete stranger? Rape prevention is not just about women teaching women how not to get raped?—?it』s about men not committing rape.
Rape prevention is about the fact that a man must understand that saying 「no」 doesn』t mean 「yes,」 that when a woman is too drunk/drugged to respond that doesn』t mean 「yes,」 that being in a relationship doesn』t mean 「yes.」 Rather than focus on how women can avoid rape, or how rape culture makes an innocent man feel suspect, our focus should be: how do we, as men, stop rapes from occurring, and how do we dismantle the structures that dismiss it and change the attitudes that tolerate it?
Since you are a part of it, you ought to know what rape culture is.
According to Marshall University』s Women』s Center website:
Rape Culture is an environment in which rape is prevalent and in which sexual violence against women is normalized and excused in the media and popular culture. Rape culture is perpetuated through the use of misogynistic language, the objectification of women』s bodies, and the glamorization of sexual violence, thereby creating a society that disregards women』s rights and safety.
When a woman first told me I was part of rape culture, I wanted to disagree for obvious reasons. Like many of you I wanted to say, 「Whoa, that ain』t me.」 Instead, I listened. Later, I approached a writer I respect. I asked her to write an article with me, wherein she』d explain rape culture to me and to male readers. She stopped returning my emails.
At first, I was annoyed. Then as it became clear she wasn』t going to respond at all, I actually got mad. Luckily, I』ve learned one shouldn』t immediately respond when they feel flashes of anger. Thunder is impressive but it』s the rain that nourishes life. So I let that storm pass and thought about it. I took a walk. They seem to jangle my best thoughts loose.
Blocks from my house, in front of a car wash it dawned on me. If rape culture is so important to me I needed to find out for my self what it is. No woman owes me her time just because I want to know about something she inherently understands. No woman should feel she has to explain rape culture to me just because I want to know what it is. No woman owes me shit. I saw how my desire for a woman to satisfy me ran deep. Even my curiosity, a trait that always made me proud, was marred with the same sort of male-centric presumption that fuels rape culture. I expected to be satisfied. That attitude is the problem. I started reading and kept reading until I understood rape culture and my part in it.
Here』s a bullet-point list of examples of rape culture.
· Blaming the victim (「She asked for it!」)
· Trivializing sexual assault (「Boys will be boys!」)
· Sexually explicit jokes
· Tolerance of sexual harassment
· Inflating false rape report statistics
· Publicly scrutinizing a victim』s dress, mental state, motives, and history
· Gratuitous gendered violence in movies and television
· Defining 「manhood」 as dominant and sexually aggressive
· Defining 「womanhood」 as submissive and sexually passive
· Pressure on men to 「score」
· Pressure on women to not appear 「cold」
· Assuming only promiscuous women get raped
· Assuming that men don』t get raped or that only 「weak」 men get raped
· Refusing to take rape accusations seriously
· Teaching women to avoid getting raped instead of teaching men not to rape
You』ll quickly find that rape culture plays a central role in all the social dynamics of our time. It』s at the heart of all our personal interactions. It』s part of all our social, societal and environmental struggles. Rape culture is not just about sex. It is the product of a generalized attitude of male supremacy. Sexual violence is one expression of that attitude. Again, don』t let the terminology spook you. Don』t get hung up on the term 「male supremacy.」 The term isn』t the problem. The problem is that rape culture hurts everyone involved. Antiquated patriarchal notions of society make it difficult for men to come forward as rape victims just as much as they foster a desire for a man to be seen as powerful and sexually aggressive. Men shouldn』t feel threatened or attacked when women point out rape culture?—?they』re telling us about our common enemy. We ought to listen.
Now that you know what it is, what can you do about rape culture?
· Avoid using language that objectifies or degrades women
· Speak out if you hear someone else making an offensive joke or trivializing rape
· If a friend says she has been raped, take her seriously and be supportive
· Think critically about the media』s messages about women, men, relationships, and violence
· Be respectful of others』 physical space even in casual situations
· Always communicate with sexual partners and do not assume consent
· Define your own manhood or womanhood. Do not let stereotypes shape your actions.
What else can you do about rape culture when you experience it IRL?
1. Men can confront men.
No one is suggesting violence. In fact, that』s what we』re looking to avoid. But sometimes, a man needs to confront another man or a group of men in a situation. When I』m out in public and I see a man hassling a woman, I stop for a moment. I make sure the woman sees me. I want her to know I』m fully aware of what』s happening. I wait for a moment for a clear indication from her of whether she needs help. Sometimes, the couple will continue right on fighting like I』m just a hickory tree. Other times, the woman will make it clear she』d like backup and I approach the situation. I』ve never had to get violent. Usually, my presence alone makes the guy leave if he』s a stranger, or explain himself if they』re familiar. It changes the dynamic. That』s why I always stop when I see a woman getting hassled in public. For any reason. I make sure any woman, in what could become a violent situation, one I may or may not be correctly assessing, feels that she has the opportunity to signal to me if she needs assistance. I』m a big brother to a sister so that response is practically instinctual.
But, I don』t limit this to women. I』ve also done this for two men who were clearly in a lovers』 spat. Whenever you see a situation spiraling out of control, and especially if someone is crying for help or being attacked, you should confront the situation. You don』t need to 「break it up.」 But engage, get involved, take down pertinent information, alert authorities, call the police. Do something.
2. Men can correct men.
If you hear a guy say some jacked-up slurs in front of you and there』s no one from that particular community around to be offended, you can still say something. This is also true when you hear misogynistic language. Speak up. Tell your friend or co-worker that rape jokes are bullshit and you won』t tolerate them.
Trust me you won』t lose your 「man card.」 If you』re older than nineteen and you』re still worried about your man card, you don』t understand what respectable masculinity is about, anyway. It』s not about cultish approval from others?—?it』s about being 「your own man」 and doing the right thing. You might be surprised by how many other men will respect you for doing what they wanted to but didn』t. I』ve heard it plenty. I』m not some social justice cop, but I have and will argue with whole roomfuls of men. Later on, some dudes will approach me and say how much they respected what I did. I always tell them it gets easier to speak up every time you do it. I promise you that』s true.
No one is suggesting you go around policing everybody. I don』t make it my business to make sure everyone live by my yardstick. No one needs you telling them what you think about every little thing they say and whether it meets your criteria for social awareness. But when some dude says some foul shit, and you know it?—?we all hear those jokes?—?you can let the dude know his rape joke or his 「she』s a whore」 analogy didn』t play.
3. Men can make other men STFU.
Let』s say, you』re in a group of men, and one of your friends starts hollering at a girl?—?tell him to knock it the fuck off. You won』t be a punk for speaking up for the woman. As long as you don』t try to score points with her for 「defending her,」 you won』t be white-knighting it either. You』re just doing the right thing. No one needs some sexist clown hollering at her because the dude popped a mental woody. Cat-calling is one of the worst advertisements for male sexuality there is. Those assholes make us all look like complete tools. You get that, right? We need to cut that shit out.
Working construction is when I learned to speak up to a group of men. You have to do it. Mostly, you do it because you want to respect yourself. Otherwise, you』re another pathetic man that allows a guy to mistreat a woman in your presence. When a guy cat-calls a woman and you don』t say something, he just treated her like a cheaply degraded sex object for his satisfaction and he turned you into the punk-ass that』s willing to allow him to mistreat a woman in your presence … while you say nothing.
What would your grandfather think if he saw you in that moment? Would he be proud of you? Are you proud of yourself? Male pride is good for something?—?use it to be your better self. Don』t be that silent punk that goes along with the crowd to get along with the crowd. Speak up when someone cat-calls a woman in front of you. Tell them to shut the fuck up. As a man, you have power. Use it. Men respect conviction.
4. It』s our job to have standards for ourselves, and thus, for all men.
You may think, 「Zaron, man, lighten up, brother. Cat-calling is not that big a deal. Aren』t we making a mountain out of a molehill? Some women like it.」 You may be right. Maybe some women do like it. That doesn』t matter. I like to speed. My cousin likes to smoke pot in public. Neither of us gets to do what we like. That』s just how it goes sometimes when you』re a member of a society. If you find that woman who likes to be cat-called, go for it, just do it behind closed doors. When you』re in public, respect the physical and mental space of others.
Don』t limit yourself to being a man. Be a mensch. Be a human being.
When something like #YesAllWomen occurs in our cultural conversation and women the world over are out there sharing their experiences, their trauma, their stories and their personal views, as men, we don』t need to enter that conversation. In that moment, all we need to do is listen, and reflect, and let their words change our perspective. Our job is to ask ourselves how we can do better.
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看之前對印度的印象不是這種層次,看之後震驚了,看到了一個閉關鎖國,又自以為是的國家,就和我們過去清朝一樣。尤其是律師說:we have the best culture,we don"t have woman.)還有為女孩辯護的律師說如果她女兒有婚前性行為,他一定會把她拖到穀倉燒死。。當時看到我就震驚了,律師作為一個普遍受過高等教育的群體,居然也有這種思想,我突然感覺到這不僅僅是教育問題,雖然教育可以改變很多人,但印度的這種男權和女性附庸的思想想要改變太難了。最重要的是,這種思想已經深入人心,不僅是男人,連許多女人都這麼想。看那個罪犯的老婆就知道。在印度,女人是依附男人存在的東西。雖然我們國家從前也是男尊女卑,但我們並沒有像他們這麼嚴重這麼可怕。至少從前也有過唐朝這種時代。看完之後我和我妹妹交流,發現最需要感謝兩個人,一個是武則天,是她告訴所有男人女人一樣可以治理國家參與政治,一樣可以和男人一樣思考,而不只是繡花彈琴,還有就是孫中山,因為他,女人再也不用裹小腳,正是因為他,才有了後來女學生剪短髮等各種叛逆行為。但是,這些所有的基礎還是我們國家本身男權就沒有印度的文化中的那麼變態。因為我們過去的歷史和神話中,對於女性參與政治或是救國行為是褒揚的。除此之外,還有一個地方也引起了我的思考。就是那個律師所說的:我們不能拿別人的文化要求我們自己。我突然想到我們自己在面對很多事情的時候也是以這種態度對待國外媒體的指責,我不能說他們指責都是對的,但是也許我們不能再總是拿這句話做擋箭牌,而應該真正深入思考,究竟別人的指責有沒有道理,是不是有必要學習。要知道,我們的文化中還是有很多糟粕,所謂的處女情結,所謂的上層建築設置,都有很多需要改變,我們的文化中這麼多不合理的地方,我們不能僅僅以一句:不能以別人的文化要求我們來搪塞,要知道所有的失敗都是從不承認缺點不願意改變開始的。
不知道有沒有人看過阿米爾汗的《真相調查》,我之前一集不落的看了,那個節目幾乎總結了所有的印度黑暗面,但是我覺得,無論是巨額嫁妝,打掉女胎,單身漢泛濫,強姦,這些問題歸根結底就是印度的男女地位不平等所造成的。
生女孩不值得得到祝福這種觀念,已經在印度人當中根深蒂固,因此他們想盡辦法在女孩出生前先打掉,最後導致了印度男女比例的嚴重失調。
不知道有沒有人注意到,紀錄片里,司機說自己已經五年沒有性生活了,而他當時28歲,因此這種男女比例失調,造成了單身漢的激增,這樣當然變相的提高了強姦的犯罪率。
推薦一本了解印度現狀的書,Chetan Bhagat(三傻作者)的《新印度想要什麼?》(What young India wants?)。
有點答非所問了,主要是幫助理解一下印度比較真實客觀的情況。免得有人旅遊一圈就覺得很懂了。
我覺得印度保留絞刑是一件正確的事情,尤其是在絞死強姦犯這件事上。
你們知道在北方邦的農村發生過這樣駭人聽聞的事情:人們曾絞死被強姦的少女。
前年的這次事件之後,性犯罪者,而不是受害者,終於成為了理所當然該送上絞刑架的人。
曾經無數次討論過印度女性地位問題,很糟糕,糟糕到一個對印度沒有了解的中國人無法想像的地步。有很多事情沒有對錯,但有很多事情就是不對,用一萬種理由來狡辯、換一萬個語境來討論,它依然不對。
所以這部片子至少足夠觸目驚心,足夠激起普通人的憤怒,足夠讓你敵視印度男人。
矯枉必須過正,最好要讓曾經肆無忌憚拿著文化傳統做理由的罪犯感到畏懼,要讓沒有犯錯卻承擔傷害的受害者得到公正,要讓一個可能的受害者感到安心。
政府自有他禁播的理由,但至少這兩年有關的問題得到了相當多的輿論關注,逐漸成為了一根敏感神經,那總歸是比以前好的。
希望她能帶來光亮,告訴人們什麼是對,什麼是錯,不容質疑。
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這部片子的確呈現了極端的一面,真實的印度沒有那麼可怕。
那裡有無盡的美好值得去發掘,儘管去旅行吧,多數的印度人都是無辜而且善良的。
quora 上一大票印度人都炸了 shiny india不容忍被抹黑 哈哈哈 那幫印度人只要一跟中國比立刻大吹民主自由 現在民主自由去了哪
只有年輕人醒悟才能改變,文化是隱形而且最有殺傷力的武器。錯的是不是人,人又不過是文化的荼毒過的犧牲品。
被強姦的女孩受過良好教育,精通英文,醫學院畢業,勵志去印度農村改變印度落戶的醫療條件。可惜被賤民強姦致死。
大的語境下,BBC並沒有提到受害者的種姓,不過看受害者父親哥哥是在法院工作來看,肯定不是低等姓。
好像是09年的時候,看到一則新聞,說一個低等姓的女孩被高等姓的強姦,然後法官的判決是我不覺得高等姓的貴族會去強姦一個下三濫的低等姓女孩。
當然這次施害者被判的是死刑,可是施害者家屬也在說,那麼多強姦犯,為啥就我家被弔死?
那個辯護律師怎麼說的,我們的文化是最好的,我們的文化裡面沒有女人的地位。
再去看看印度那些強姦犯家裡面家徒四壁的樣子,有工作的一個月才掙40人民幣。
所以,女性權利得不到尊重只是印度極端不平等社會的果,印度男人同樣也得不到做人的尊嚴,那個女法官不是也說了么,等年輕人醒悟過來才能改變。
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